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  • Soldier of Macedon
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 13675

    Macedonian Presidential Elections - 2019

    This is going to be interesting. Once the 'passive patriot' Gjorgje Ivanov moves on after the ultimate betrayal of Macedonia took place during his presidency, what will the next person do? Through his inaction, Ivanov has basically shown the Macedonian people that the presidency is a useless position, at least when he was at the helm. Meanwhile, ethnic Albanian politicians are still pushing for the president to be elected by the members of the assembly rather than the people.

    Anyway. I noticed that Filip Petrovski has just put forth his candidacy as president through DPNE. Some aspects of his past record are questionable but recently he has been one of the few leading voices against the treachery inflicted by Zaev and co. Will he be advocating to reverse the recent betrayal by any means necessary?

    There is also Vlatko Gjorchev for DPNE, who is another Gruevski stooge like that idiot Mickoski who currently runs the party. Then there's the recent announcement by the ethnic Albanian politicians who will be fielding their own candidate.

    Who else is in the mix?
    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
  • Carlin
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 3332

    #2
    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    This is going to be interesting. Once the 'passive patriot' Gjorgje Ivanov moves on after the ultimate betrayal of Macedonia took place during his presidency, what will the next person do? Through his inaction, Ivanov has basically shown the Macedonian people that the presidency is a useless position, at least when he was at the helm. Meanwhile, ethnic Albanian politicians are still pushing for the president to be elected by the members of the assembly rather than the people.

    Anyway. I noticed that Filip Petrovski has just put forth his candidacy as president through DPNE. Some aspects of his past record are questionable but recently he has been one of the few leading voices against the treachery inflicted by Zaev and co. Will he be advocating to reverse the recent betrayal by any means necessary?

    There is also Vlatko Gjorchev for DPNE, who is another Gruevski stooge like that idiot Mickoski who currently runs the party. Then there's the recent announcement by the ethnic Albanian politicians who will be fielding their own candidate.

    Who else is in the mix?
    Other than Petrovski and Gjorchev I'm not sure if there are any other specific names/candidates at this point. On that note, how can both of them be running through/for VMRO-DPMNE? Is the party planning on vote splitting its own party/electorate?
    Last edited by Carlin; 01-31-2019, 11:35 PM.

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    • Vangelovski
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 8532

      #3
      Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
      This is going to be interesting. Once the 'passive patriot' Gjorgje Ivanov moves on after the ultimate betrayal of Macedonia took place during his presidency, what will the next person do? Through his inaction, Ivanov has basically shown the Macedonian people that the presidency is a useless position, at least when he was at the helm. Meanwhile, ethnic Albanian politicians are still pushing for the president to be elected by the members of the assembly rather than the people.

      Anyway. I noticed that Filip Petrovski has just put forth his candidacy as president through DPNE. Some aspects of his past record are questionable but recently he has been one of the few leading voices against the treachery inflicted by Zaev and co. Will he be advocating to reverse the recent betrayal by any means necessary?

      There is also Vlatko Gjorchev for DPNE, who is another Gruevski stooge like that idiot Mickoski who currently runs the party. Then there's the recent announcement by the ethnic Albanian politicians who will be fielding their own candidate.

      Who else is in the mix?
      Aren't the rumours that SDS will run an Albanian candidate or that they won't run any candidate and support an Albanian party candidate?

      In the event that a Macedonian is elected President, he will do absolutely nothing (besides courting foreign praise for his progressive anti-Macedonian views and diverting massive amounts of public funds into his own accounts).
      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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      • Carlin
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3332

        #4
        The rumours are that DUI/Ahmeti turned his back on Zaev.

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        • Vangelovski
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 8532

          #5
          Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
          The rumours are that DUI/Ahmeti turned his back on Zaev.
          The old Balkan backturn.
          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332

            #6
            Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
            The old Balkan backturn.
            The "breakup" was seemingly brought about by the PIOM scandal (PIOM = Pension and Disablity Insurance Fund of Macedonia), which was exposed in recent days by Mila Tsarovska, and caused lots of tension between SDS and DUI.

            To summarize, roughly 12000 properly insured people were left with no money in their private pension funds. Employers regularly paid for their retirement benefits but the state pension fund (PIOM) kept the money for itself and did not transfer it to the private pension funds, so the citizens' accounts stayed empty for years. In some cases, accounts were not even opened.

            During the period mentioned by Tsarovska, the directors of PIOM were DUI staff: Isni Jakupi, Bekim Neziri and Shaip Zenelji.

            URL/video:
            Last edited by Carlin; 02-01-2019, 12:44 AM.

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            • Gocka
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2012
              • 2306

              #7
              Philip Petrovski probably takes it. Sds without the shiptars can't win. The shiptars are putting forward their own candidate, sds the same. Whoever the dpne candidate is will win it, Petrovski is so far the more well known.

              The presidency has power should the holder choose to use it. Petrovski has talked a big game in the last few months, curious to see what he does if he get the seat.

              The bust up between sds and DUI is about fielding a joint candidate who is Albanian from what I hear. Sds hasn't agreed to that... yet. I think they might agree to it, other wise they have no chance.

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              • Phoenix
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 4671

                #8
                Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                The "breakup" was seemingly brought about by the PIOM scandal (PIOM = Pension and Disablity Insurance Fund of Macedonia), which was exposed in recent days by Mila Tsarovska, and caused lots of tension between SDS and DUI.

                To summarize, roughly 12000 properly insured people were left with no money in their private pension funds. Employers regularly paid for their retirement benefits but the state pension fund (PIOM) kept the money for itself and did not transfer it to the private pension funds, so the citizens' accounts stayed empty for years. In some cases, accounts were not even opened.

                During the period mentioned by Tsarovska, the directors of PIOM were DUI staff: Isni Jakupi, Bekim Neziri and Shaip Zenelji.

                URL/video:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-cd36Z4r6w
                It's interesting watching DUI go ape-shit when this first surfaced...I guess up until this scandal all the other shit they've been involved in (corruption) has routinely been swept under the carpet...I wonder if we're seeing the first signs of DUI losing their teflon coating...

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Carlin15 View Post
                  Other than Petrovski and Gjorchev I'm not sure if there are any other specific names/candidates at this point. On that note, how can both of them be running through/for VMRO-DPMNE? Is the party planning on vote splitting its own party/electorate?
                  There's a nomination process in place that was open until the other day...candidates were to submit their interest and the party would eventually decide who they would lend their support to...

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                  • Phoenix
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 4671

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                    This is going to be interesting. Once the 'passive patriot' Gjorgje Ivanov moves on after the ultimate betrayal of Macedonia took place during his presidency, what will the next person do? Through his inaction, Ivanov has basically shown the Macedonian people that the presidency is a useless position, at least when he was at the helm. Meanwhile, ethnic Albanian politicians are still pushing for the president to be elected by the members of the assembly rather than the people.

                    Anyway. I noticed that Filip Petrovski has just put forth his candidacy as president through DPNE. Some aspects of his past record are questionable but recently he has been one of the few leading voices against the treachery inflicted by Zaev and co. Will he be advocating to reverse the recent betrayal by any means necessary?

                    There is also Vlatko Gjorchev for DPNE, who is another Gruevski stooge like that idiot Mickoski who currently runs the party. Then there's the recent announcement by the ethnic Albanian politicians who will be fielding their own candidate.

                    Who else is in the mix?
                    Considering that Macedonia's only hope would be to wipe the political slate completely clean and start from scratch, no candidate put forward from either VMRO-DPMNE or SDSM would be immune from the poisoned political philosophies of their respective parties or the overreach from their political masters in the USA and EU...

                    Those untainted from said viruses won't get a look in.

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                    • Rogi
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2343

                      #11
                      There is also a boycott movement for the Presidential Elections, which I think is flawed.

                      If they boycott is successful, then those who do vote will likely have voted for the SDSM candidate and, if there is anything to learn from the referendum, Zaev and co will proceed with declaring that person President, even without the necessary turnout. Moreover, even if Zaev and co were to follow the Law, a successful boycott would mean the Speaker of the House, Talat Xaferi would assume the role of Interim President.

                      Secondly, the boycott movement is unlikely to be successful because all major parties will be presenting candidates, which means the required voter turnout is likely to be met, therefore the boycott movement will result in securing a win for the SDSM candidate.
                      Last edited by Rogi; 02-01-2019, 04:11 AM.

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                      • Rogi
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 2343

                        #12
                        The other concern is that this may just be a Presidential election and not a Parliamentary election at the same time.

                        In that case, the przino agreement doesn't apply, which means SDSM stay in power without a technical Government formed with the opposition.

                        This means the ballot stuffing and "6 seconds per vote" we saw in the referendum is likely to occur again, it not being controlled at all.

                        Whereas if it were done in conjunction with Paliamentary elections, it would be as per the Przino agreement and, given all parties intend to present their own candidates, you'd have DPMNE vs SDSM preventing each other from election tampering and DUI vs AA preventing election tampering.

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                        • Pelagonija
                          Member
                          • Mar 2017
                          • 533

                          #13
                          Don’t think it matters who becomes president!

                          The Albanians will see who bends over the most and offer their votes in the second round. Smart.

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                          • Soldier of Macedon
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 13675

                            #14
                            Here is Filip Petrovski's declaration as candidate:

                            До Конвенцијата на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ за кандидирање кандидат за Претседател на Република Македонија Согласно јавниот повик на мојата партија ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и условите кои на тој повик беа истакнати како потребни за кандидирање за Претседател на Република Македонија, го поднесувам

                            До Конвенцијата на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ за кандидирање кандидат за Претседател на Република Македонија Согласно јавниот повик на мојата партија ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и условите кои на тој повик беа истакнати како потребни за кандидирање за Претседател на Република Македонија, го поднесувам ова: ПИСМО ЗА ИНТЕРЕС ЗА КАНДИДИРАЊЕ ЗА ПРЕТСЕДАТЕЛ НА РЕПУБЛИКА МАКЕДОНИЈА КАКО КАНДИДАТ НА ВМРО-ДПМНЕ Притоа изјавувам дека ги исполнувам законски предвидените услови и се согласувам со политиките и принципите врз кои е основана ВМРО-ДПМНЕ за независност, целовитост, неделивост и унитарност на Република Македонија кои се сега доведени во прашање. Поседувам план и програма кои сум подготвен да ги презентирам пред Конвенцијата на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и сум убеден дека истите ќе добијат поддршка од делегатите, како и широка поддршка од целото членство на партијата, но и од сите Македонци и граѓани во Македонија и надвор од државата.

                            Д-р Филип Петровски,
                            Скопје, 31.1.2019
                            And he appears to have the support of Janko Bachev's Edinstvena Makedonija:

                            Единствена Македонија како дел од „МАКЕДОНИЈА БЛОКИРА“ ја поздравува и целосно ја подржува кандидатурата на д-р Филип Петровски за Претседател на Р. Македонија што ќе се избере како кандидат на Конвенцијата на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ што треба

                            Единствена Македонија до Мицковски: Еве ви кандидат за претседател со кој сплотени ќе го победиме злото наречено Зоран Заев

                            Единствена Македонија како дел од МАКЕДОНИЈА БЛОКИРА ја поздравува и целосно ја подржува кандидатурата на д-р Филип Петровски за Претседател на Р. Македонија што ќе се избере како кандидат на Конвенцијата на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ што треба да се одржи на 16 февруари во Струга. Единствена Македонија застанува зад кандидатурата на Петровски водејќи се единствено од македонските национални и државни интереси да се порази злото во Македонија кое има свое име. Злото се вика марионетска власт Зоран Заев купена и контролирана од странски центар. Филип Петровски е кандидатот кој во моментот може да го победи кандидатот на марионетската власт на Заев бидејќи ужива народна подршка на широка основа, односно, не само од членството на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ туку и од големата коалиција МАКЕДОНИЈА БЛОКИРА во која членуваат 84 организации партии и здруженија од земјата и дијаспората. Практично, д-р Филип Петровски е кандидат на македонскиот народ и поголем дел од граѓаните. Во овие тешки моменти за Татковината кога пучистичката власт на Заев бесмилосно руши се што е македонско, го повикуваме раководството на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ да биде на страната на патриотските сили во Македонија, македонскиот народ, поголем дел од граѓаните, Македонците во странство.

                            Центар за комуникации на Единствена Македонија
                            Скопје, петок, 1 февруари 2019
                            In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13675

                              #15
                              I don't think it can be doubted that Filip Petrovski is a patriot. But a couple of things may raise concerns, such as his association with the disgraced Ljube Boshkoski, his ambiguous comments during the debate with the other disgrace known as Stojanche Angelov where it concerns his solution for the naming dispute, and his inability to let go of DPNE when, as a party, they're just as bad as SDS. He needs to clarify his position so there is no question on what he stands for and he should do that before the elections so people know what they're voting for.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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