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  • Phoenix
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 4671

    I thought the Starbuck's Crew in Washington were working on these sorts of issues...?

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    • julie
      Senior Member
      • May 2009
      • 3869

      Ditto Phoenix
      "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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      • Frank
        Banned
        • Mar 2010
        • 687

        When will you all get it Macedonia deserves exatcly what it creates

        Pull out of this talk fest with our Southern foe and Macedonia will win alot of respect, build a vibrant economy with out the EU and Macedonia will win even more respect.

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        • ArMakedon
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 45

          Bring our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan home.
          We don't need NATO, we don't need EU. We need United Macedonia!!!
          "The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him." — Niccolo Machiavelli

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          • Onur
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 2389

            Originally posted by ArMakedon View Post
            Bring our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan home.

            Thats the price of a ticket to NATO. USA demands it from most of the candidates. Turkey sent troops to Korean war at 1950 and about 700 of our soldiers died in there. After the war, we became member of it.

            The sacrifice of 700 Turkish soldiers is still thoroughly discussed in Turkey and people condemns the politicians who allowed Turkey to participate USA`s war just to be a member of NATO. Actually Turkey did this because Stalin had threaten Turkey because of our neutrality in WW-2 and he was planning to invade eastern Anatolia shortly after the war. Our economy was broke because of the war and politicians felt that we need a protection of NATO against communists.

            Nevertheless, people still condemns the sacrifice of 700 soldiers after 60 years and i agree to your comment because if your people dies only for USA`s war for energy sources, then you wont be able to explain this to your people either.

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            • julie
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 3869

              Onur,r you have said it all in this comment - only for USA`s war for energy sources,
              as I said in a previous post, We also have Australian soldiers dying in Afghanistan. One that recently died was known to my son. We are "fighting" ghosts, protecting poppy fields and the so called recent discovery (ha ha recent my butt) of the trillion dollar mineral resources there is the proof
              Pull every Macedonian (and Australian ) soldier out of these war zones, they are only there to assist yankee doodle get fatter and greedier and more selfish and destructive to minority countries
              "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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              • Frank
                Banned
                • Mar 2010
                • 687

                And just what is the merit of being a NATO member can anyone answer that

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                • Phoenix
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 4671

                  Originally posted by Frank View Post
                  And just what is the merit of being a NATO member can anyone answer that
                  Today NATO membership serves only one purpose and that's protection from the meddling and interference of the USA.
                  This was clearly shown in 2001 when America fabricated a situation of destabilization in Macedonia, forcing the Macedonian Government to be an American lapdog.

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                  • Prolet
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 5241

                    Well Said Phoenix

                    Onur, Being a Turkish Citizen and Turkey being a senior Nato member, what is the benefit for yourself being part of the Nato Alliance?
                    МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                    • Onur
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 2389

                      Originally posted by Prolet View Post
                      Well Said Phoenix

                      Onur, Being a Turkish Citizen and Turkey being a senior Nato member, what is the benefit for yourself being part of the Nato Alliance?

                      Well, when Turkey became member of NATO, it was recently formed after WW-2 and the situation was so different. Like a said, Stalin was hostile towards Turkey and he was saying that we are indirectly supporting Germany by remaining neutral and also USSR always perceived Turkey as a major threat since 1930s because they were thinking that we could try to take back the lands which they took from us at Ottoman Empire era, by gaining influence upon Azeri and other Turkic people. During WW-2, they became more anxious because USSR was able to continue the war by supplying oil only from Khazar sea at Azeri lands. Tatars also allied with Nazis against Stalin to take revenge of Russian pressure and assimilation upon them for half a century. During the last year of the war, Stalin killed 10.000s of Tatars and expelled 1000s to Turkey and he wanted to permanently cut our connection with Azeris by invading eastern Anatolia to settle Armenians between Azeris and Turkey.

                      Thats why Turkey wanted to became member of NATO but USA also wanted to take Turkey on their side as well. Actually NATO helped us so much for improving our military technology at 1960s but USA did this for creating a major force in Anatolia to scare Russians, not for Turkey`s military development.

                      Now, cold war is over and NATO pretty much lost it`s importance. Besides that, Turkey can develop her own technology for a decade and we don't need NATO anymore. Some people are looking skeptical for the NATO bases in Turkey for a while. There is one huge NATO base in Izmir too. It`s full of USA soldiers and most of them are annoying people. They are either recent immigrants from southern America or stupid yankees. They are vulgar, ignorant, always speaks in loud voice and their kids are even more annoying. Whenever i see their kids at night clubs or bars here, they get extremely drunk and start a fight most of the time by pestering people`s girlfriends.


                      IMO, being a member of NATO can be useful for ROM but you have to think about USA`s possible demands from you and always try to keep a balance between the profits and the negative points. For example, Korean war was the first and last time when Turkish army participated USA`s war in active combat. We didn't participate both first and second war on Iraq and we didn't even allow USA/British soldiers to use Turkey`s soil for any reason at 2nd war on Iraq. We got few 100 soldiers in Afghanistan but they only participate in charity stuff. They never involved in active combat. USA constantly demands from Turkey to send troops to enter active combat but we always refuse that. Only exception was Bosnian war but we preferred and wanted to be active in Bosnia ourselves. Rather strangely that time, USA did everything to delay or prevent Turkey to participate active combat in Bosnia.

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                      • julie
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 3869

                        Onur, NATO is good at making sure the casualties of war are anyone but US.
                        Australia has lost several young men as has Macedonia for NATO and the pricks cant recognise us under our name , Macedonia, yet the blood of our Macedonian boys is good enough for them. Not being a member of NATO would benefit Macedonia, they have some misguided sense of being allowed into the US boys club EU and NATO if they can have enough of our boys die for their stupidity and greed and wealth.
                        "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                        • ArMakedon
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 45

                          Originally posted by Onur View Post
                          Thats the price of a ticket to NATO. USA demands it from most of the candidates. Turkey sent troops to Korean war at 1950 and about 700 of our soldiers died in there. After the war, we became member of it.

                          The sacrifice of 700 Turkish soldiers is still thoroughly discussed in Turkey and people condemns the politicians who allowed Turkey to participate USA`s war just to be a member of NATO. Actually Turkey did this because Stalin had threaten Turkey because of our neutrality in WW-2 and he was planning to invade eastern Anatolia shortly after the war. Our economy was broke because of the war and politicians felt that we need a protection of NATO against communists.

                          Nevertheless, people still condemns the sacrifice of 700 soldiers after 60 years and i agree to your comment because if your people dies only for USA`s war for energy sources, then you wont be able to explain this to your people either.
                          But, we are not and never will be NATO member.
                          get it?
                          "The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him." — Niccolo Machiavelli

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                          • julie
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 3869

                            ArMakedon, Onur was politely answering a question Prolet posed to him about Turkeys benefits . Your last line to Onur is very abrupt
                            "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13675

                              ArMakedon, there are questions asked of you in the "all new members" thread. Answer them.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • stravdziger
                                Junior Member
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 48

                                Hi all,

                                I'm a new member here, so I went to the thread that all new members should read, in which the admin Soldier of Macedon writes:
                                We respect all of your nationalities. It is clear racists are unable to return this gesture of normality. So for all of you that are new and have racist tendencies, there is one question that you should answer before going on to the other threads, for the benefit of everybody and to save time for both of us. We do not want racists, you can disagree with our sentiments, but you will not be given a free reign to disrespect our people, the Macedonians.

                                I then came to the thread about Jason Miko's article, which includes this commentary:

                                Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                                Julie, we can take this to its natural conclusion...

                                Greeks have black roots
                                obama is black
                                they have rooting in common

                                they're fucked in the head.


                                Soldier of Macedon,
                                If this board doesn't tolerate racism against Macedonians, why does it tolerate other forms of racism, and from members who appear to be established here for quite a long time?

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