Macedonia to hold snap elections

[Gocka]

But until then Macedonians offer no value to the world powers or larger players in the region, we are just push overs.

That is a very valid point. During the early 18th and 19th centuries every country around us was a pet project of some other large nation. Austria/Hungary, Germany, and Russia all had stakes in their respective players. Macedonians it seems always kind of did their own thing, and that naivety is why we are where we are today. Combine not having anything to offer to a larger player, with a pretty passive people and you get Macedonia. Every major power picked a team, and no one picked us thus we lost out in the end.

[Vangelovski]

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...t-s-legitimacy

Macedonia Albanian Party Challenges Future President’s Legitimacy

Macedonia’s ethnic Albanian junior ruling party says it will dispute the legitimacy of the country’s future president unless a candidate is agreed in advance by Albanians and Macedonians.


Ali Ahmeti, the head of the ethnic Albanian Democratic Union for Integration, DUI, said his party has not given up on the idea for a joint presidential candidate pre-agreed with the senior partner in the current government, the VMRO DPMNE. But Ahmeti warned that unless this proposal is adopted, his party will not recognise any president elected in the April election.

“The newly-elected president who will be elected this way, whoever that may be, will remain illegitimate for the DUI,” Ahmeti said at a meeting with his party’s youth wing this weekend in Skopje.

The DUI wants an agreement with the VMRO DPMNE to put what it calls a ‘consensual’ president in office, and has even argued that the future head of state should be elected by parliament in order to guarantee that he or she is acceptable to the country’s ethnic Albanians, who make up a quarter of the population.

But a joint candidate appears impossible after Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski’s VMRO DPMNE confirmed the incumbent President Gjorge Ivanov as its selection for another five-year term.

Ahmeti however urged the VMRO DPMNE to rethink its plan. “The DUI is determined about the idea of a ‘consensual’ candidate. But if that fails, their idea to re-elect Gjorge Ivanov as the legitimate president will also fail. We will dispute his legitimacy from the day he is re-elected to the day his term ends,” Ahmeti said.

But Gruevski has again rebuffed the DUI’s idea, saying in an interview for Kanal 5 TV on Saturday that “in a democracy, the people choose, and they cannot choose consensually”.

He added that he was concerned “that the Albanians’ parties only raise the ethnic issues as the most important”.

The first round of the presidential election will be held on April 13. The second round will be held on April 27 along with early general elections.

Three candidates will compete with Ivanov for the presidency. The opposition Social Democrats have put forward Stevo Pendarovski, a former adviser to ex-presidents Boris Trajkovski and Branko Crvenkovski, while the small GROM party nominated Zoran Popovski. The former deputy speaker of parliament, Iljaz Halimi, is the only ethnic Albanian running for the position, endorsed by the opposition Democratic Party of Albanians, DPA.

[Risto the Great]

The DUI wants an agreement with the VMRO DPMNE to put what it calls a ‘consensual’ president in office

Another Badinterism. All good fun until someone gets hurt.

What a painful set of circumstances to face daily. Almost makes you want to be a minority.

What about a "sensual" president instead?

[Gocka]

Another Badinterism. All good fun until someone gets hurt.

What a painful set of circumstances to face daily. Almost makes you want to be a minority.

What about a "sensual" president instead?

I still want to know with what kind of logic 75% of a country would need the approval of 25% of that country in order to elect a president. What is the point of a vote at that stage.

Not to mention they keep saying "a candidate who is acceptable to both Macedonians and Albanians". Who the hell would that be? They want an Albanian we want a Macedonian. Maybe we should just elect a Gypsy and that way everyone will be happy.

[Vangelovski]

DUI's candidate for Australia:

http://diasporavoton.com/Australija.html

[Sweet Sixteen]

So, will any of you bother to vote this time? I don't see any discussion even though the double elections are only two and four weeks ahead.

The thread on Presidential Elections is also deserted and nobody even bothered to update the poll and insert the names of the final candidates.

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7699&page=14

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[George S.]

I'm sure they have completely ignored the diaspora vote.It's not all they crack it to be.Maybe you could fill us as to what & how much is the greek diaspora vote.?they probably have been similarly affected.THe last thing any govt wants is the scrutiny of them by the diaspora.Its all politics.

[Sweet Sixteen]

Maybe you could fill us as to what & how much is the greek diaspora vote.?

The Greek diaspora doesn't have seats in the Greek Parliament. If they still hold (or update) their citizenship, I believe Greeks can vote from abroad (probably in Embassies or via post). Their vote counts in the (Greek) district they come from or are enrolled at.

I'm sure they have completely ignored the diaspora vote.It's not all they crack it to be. they probably have been similarly affected. THe last thing any govt wants is the scrutiny of them by the diaspora.Its all politics.

As far as I can see, it’s not “they” that ignore the diaspora but vice versa. You always blame the citizens of the Republic about everything, but hey it seems you are citizens too who have equal rights; actually you have more than equal rights; you have increased representation (given the number of your votes). So, what will you do about it? Nothing, I guess.

[Gocka]

So, what will you do about it? Nothing, I guess.

Pretty sad when someone who doesn't even like us and probably couldn't care less about our politics can see it so clearly.

I guess this is activism though. Random squabbling on a forum, and the occasional article.

[Sweet Sixteen]

Pretty sad when someone who doesn't even like us and probably couldn't care less about our politics can see it so clearly.

I guess this is activism though. Random squabbling on a forum, and the occasional article.

This isn't solely about you. Similar attitudes can be found in Greece, in USA and every place where democracy is deteriorating.

And who says I don't care about your politics? Or that I don't like you?

[George S.]

If the normal citizen is practically ignored what hope has anyone got from the diaspora.Our vote has been watered down so much that we are saying why bother to vote.?THe diasporavote could be formidable & things may not turn out as expected as in reality most in the diaspora a patriotic in word rather than if in deed.

[Vangelovski]

DUI could gain the diaspora seats with just a few thousand votes and possibly in the Australian instance just a few hundred. So that the analysts in DPMNE and SDSM don't crack their brains thinking to hard about what happened, I'll let them in on a secret - which I'm surprised they didn't learn the last time around:

The diaspora is not interested in the cronies and quislings they have to offer and that's why it won't be voting...if they want real diaspora participation, then they need to let us choose our own independent candidates. But even then these would be marginalised by the governing coalition of sell-outs and terrorists.

http://www.dnevnik.mk/default.asp?ItemID=71566464A7C3AC458078930243269B02

[Vangelovski]

Ivanov's (basically DPMNE's) policy platform:

http://ivanov.mk/docs/Otchet_na_Pretsedatelot_Ivanov_2009-2014.pdf

The usual rubbish - DPMNE still cannot bring itself to say that it will not change Macedonia's name. Rather it is still using vague and meaningless phraseology to hide the fact that it is prepared to change Macedonia's name (and that's why its continuing negotiations).

За нас прифатливо решение е само она решение што нема да го промени македонскиот идентитет. Тоа е неменување на Уставот. Тоа е решение кое нема да го повреди нашиот национален, културен и јазичен идентитет, see p. 13

They are also continuing to legitimise the UN Security Council Resolutions, the Interim Accord and the ICJ Case:

Постојано истакнував дека на Република Македонија ѝ е потребно решение, но само во рамката што ја даваат резолуциите на Обединетите нации, Времената спогодба и пресудата на Меѓународниот суд на правдата, see p. 12

[George S.]

they are still using our name like a bargaining chip,sooner not later expect to cave in to the greek/us demands eu.they will give in as they want to join the eu.

[Sweet Sixteen]

DUI could gain the diaspora seats with just a few thousand votes and possibly in the Australian instance just a few hundred. So that the analysts in DPMNE and SDSM don't crack their brains thinking to hard about what happened, I'll let them in on a secret - which I'm surprised they didn't learn the last time around:

The diaspora is not interested in the cronies and quislings they have to offer and that's why it won't be voting...if they want real diaspora participation, then they need to let us choose our own independent candidates.

Maybe I don't understand how your system works. Can't you vote for different or smaller parties? Can't you have your own parties or independent candidates? Is this not permitted or are you saying it is simply unrealistic?

Also, do you (any of you) ever vote? Do you vote for the Australian elections?

Is your interpretation valid? Do people who abstain from elections share YOUR opinion? Or is it maybe that people are detached from their motherland?

But even then these would be marginalised by the governing coalition of sell-outs and terrorists

The way I see it that wouldn't be your problem, as you would have (at least) done your duty.

they are still using our name like a bargaining chip,sooner not later expect to cave in to the greek/us demands eu.they will give in as they want to join the eu.

It’s fair for them to have their own priorities since they don’t live in Australia. The thing is you can vote based on YOUR criteria.


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