Macedonian Presidential Elections 2014

[xhondoe]

Albanians from the Kingdom of Yugoslavia deported to Turkey in the period 1919-1940 - 215.412.

[xhondoe]

Number and % according to the 2002 census.....Births/Deaths 2011.....% of Births/Deaths of the total This is scopje region.

Macedonians: 367.413 (63,6%).....3.634 / 3.820.....(46,6% / 73,4%)

Albanians: 133.893 (23,2%).....2.960 / 796.....(38% / 15,3%)

Roma: 23.903 (4,1%).....670 / 216.....(8,6% / 4,1%)

Serbs: 18.051 (3,1%).....50 / 172.....(0,64%/ 3,3%)

Turks: 12.123 (2,1%).....156 / 53.....(2% / 1%)


Bosnians: 10.880 (1,9%).....141 / 59.....(1,8% / 1,13%)



Others: 11.881 (2,1%).....188 / 89.....(2,4% / 1,7%)

[xhondoe]

[Vangelovski]

xhondoe,

You're starting to annoy me. Your posting completely irrelevant statistics. The total Albanian population is 25 per cent, regardless of what percentage certain sectors of it are within various subsets.

Are you going to explain your racist/apartheid ideas on Albanian supremacy or not?

[xhondoe]

total albanian population is 34-38 percent wether u like it or not.

Those statistics are very relevant if u know how math works.I dont know u level of education but according to stats in the near future Macedonia will be an Albanian state since Macedonian population is negative.Eventually Macedonians will disappear completely.Maybe albanian language should be taught in school to Macedonians so they can be ready to live in the future Albanian State.

Guess what there are 802.296 albanians in Macedonian today in 2013 wether you like it or not.

Ps.Only one of the data is region of scopie all other are national.I guess u cant even read properly and u call me a peasant.
Careful this peasant may be your boss that u work for in the near future

[Vangelovski]

total albanian population is 34-38 percent wether u like it or not.

Those statistics are very relevant if u know how math works.I dont know u level of education but according to stats in the near future Macedonia will be an Albanian state since Macedonian population is negative.Eventually Macedonians will disappear completely.Maybe albanian language should be taught in school to Macedonians so they can be ready to live in the future Albanian State.

Guess what there are 802.296 albanians in Macedonian today in 2013 wether you like it or not.

Ps.Only one of the data is region of scopie all other are national.I guess u cant even read properly and u call me a peasant.

No, the statistics you have posted are completely irrelevant. Albanians currently constitute 25 per cent of the population. Even if they are 35 per cent, your apartheid views are still abominable.

[George S.]

Albanians do not number over 25% more like 12 percent .With the roughting of the Hcensus stats the Albanians would have you believe that they are higher when thay are not.a majority now or in future.By the time if you did reach majoriy & even before that the constitution will be amend to reflect the new voting rights of Macedonians to counteract the Albanians.voting will be proportional to counteract the Albanians.So reaching a majority is not the answer,macedonia cannot be handed to albANIANS AS THEY aren't indigenous to Macedonia.

[xhondoe]

No i am the only Albanian in Macedonia and all others are just fruits of your imagination.

I dont have abominable apartheid views .As i recall i didn't insult anyone but u keep calling me names.Way to go for a forum moderator.I guess Macedonians are desperate.

[Risto the Great]

No i am the only Albanian in Macedonia and all others are just fruits of your imagination.

I dont have abominable apartheid views .As i recall i didn't insult anyone but u keep calling me names.Way to go for a forum moderator.I guess Macedonians are desperate.

You still haven't answered any meaningful questions here. I'll make it simple. Will the ethnic Albanian peasantry continue to breed at a rapid rate once they are educated? If not, do you advocate keeping them as uneducated peasants?

You better start answering.

[Vangelovski]

No i am the only Albanian in Macedonia and all others are just fruits of your imagination.

I dont have abominable apartheid views .As i recall i didn't insult anyone but u keep calling me names.Way to go for a forum moderator.I guess Macedonians are desperate.

I've explained why your views are racist and apartheid - because you believe one Albanian is worth 3 Macedonians. Why is that?

[xhondoe]

Vangeloski u knowledge of mathematics is astonishing.Let me teach u some math .

According to the 2002 census Macedonians 1297981 or 64.2 percent

Albanians 509283 or 25.2 percent

Other minorities 10.6 percent

So according to the official Macedon data Macedonians are 2.5 times more than Albanians

now every year Albanians are added 4500 and Macedonians are decreased by 3000

lets add 11 years to this equation meaning 558753 albanians 1264981 Macedonians

means Macedonians are 2.26 times more than albanians

This is the official manipulated data where albanians make 27 percent of the population

While you know pretty well that its manipulated since 34 percent of the students are albanian.

Now lets make another calculation when will albanian population will be equal to macedonian population if this trend follows.

Accordint to the census data and statistic data the Albanian population will reach the Macedonian population in 94 years.

But lets take the real datta where Albanians make 34 percent

If the trend goes this way the Albanian population will be equal to macedonian population in 17 years.

This is pure math.You cant argue against pure math.

[xhondoe]

When the Macedonians will be equal to Albanians do they deserve equal rights .In belgium a federal state with equal rights the pop percentage is 59 percent to 41 percent.

When Albanian pop reaches 41 percent in the next ten years will u approve them to have equal rights.

[xhondoe]

People failed to realize that if all Albanians refuse to vote the second round of presidential elections Macedonia cant have a president.So we have already the numbers to decide the Macedonian president.Not choose but decide.;p

[Gocka]

You are delusional. Had it not been for the influx of Kosovar gehgs into Macedonia the Albanian population would be 15% instead of the 25% that it is now (maybe). Your 35% number is laughable, it is non verifiable mainly because your peasant herd refuses to have a census in Macedonia because your terrorists leaders know your numbers were greatly inflated in the last census because when ever there is a vote on anything you have one person vote three times. Many Albanians went back to Kosovo after tits independence, and many more emigrated to Switzerland and Italy. Every "statistic" you have given is irrelevant, and your math horrendous. Not to mention you are going on birth rates that were relevant when Albanian women were locked up at home and had 10 kids. Now the more and more your women become educated they become more like normal people and have 1-3 kids. You refuse to answer any questions you just keep posting bogus links and picture that prove nothing. Time will tell, and the next census will be internationally monitored so that means you cant send your village chief to vote 15 times for every villager, that is why we have been waiting for years to have a census, because although your leaders are terrorists they are not stupid and they know that all the bullshit that someone like you is spewing will be completely worthless when we find out that you make up less then 20% of the country.

To the rest of my fellow Macedonians on here, is it not obvious what this maggot is trying to do? There is a reason he posts 10 posts in a row instead of just 1, its so that you get more hits form search engines and make it more likely for what you have written to be seen. That alone is a reason to ban the maggot, let alone his childish and rubbish comments.

You can keep dreaming about your "Great Albania" the fact is the people from Albania proper dont like you, you are a bunch of inbred barbarous terrorists that no one wants anything to do with. You are the bastard offspring of Albania, yet all you do is wave your Albanian flags. Every dog has its day and the bastard dog expelled form Albania, his day is almost up. So enjoy while it lasts, it will all come crumbling down one day, sooner then you think.

Also a word of advice, to you and to all Albanians. Most of us have no problem living together side by side with Albanians, we do not want war or constant conflict, we do not discriminate against you, we give you more rights and privileges in Macedonia then you get anywhere else in the world. Maybe if you people would appreciate it a little and stop acting like spoiled terrorist brats, who use violence and threats to get their way, then maybe we could all live together in peace. You are the ones causing the constant conflict you are the ones who are never satisfied until you dominate the whole country. You want to conquer us, not the other way around. Then you are surprised why we dont like you. Like others have said you want 3 votes to 1, no where in the world does that exist, yet you think its is your right to be able to outvote a majority in their own country. Macedonians will one day say enough is enough, you will one day face opposition, and I hope for everyone sake that it is peaceful opposition, but your kind doesn't want that, you want war.

[Phoenix]

You still haven't answered any meaningful questions here. I'll make it simple. Will the ethnic Albanian peasantry continue to breed at a rapid rate once they are educated? If not, do you advocate keeping them as uneducated peasants?

You better start answering.

To reinforce RtG's point through another perspective.
I have an aunt in Skopje who has been working as a school teacher at one of the high schools there for most of her working life.
This family is very well off, they live a very comfortable life and are well connected socially, politically and economically.
I take her views seriously and I believe they're based in strong insights

Her view is exactly as that proposed by RtG to our little shiptar friend.

The offspring of shiptar peasantry wants a western style, consumer driven lifestyle, regardless of gender.
She's been seeing it in her shiptar students for a decade now, the changes have already started.

The shiptar won't have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, he's making the journey on his own, driven by consumerism and everything that it entails.

The interesting but almost universal trade off for such a lifestyle is the adherence to the '2.3' children per couple average in the 'growing' demographics of some societies while the populations of many others are in serious decline.

The shiptari in Macedonia face the same changes and challenges as everyone else in Europe and the world.