RoM Macedonians are dummies and Greeks bite the hand that feeds them

[Risto the Great]

Not many options for Macedonians if they want to get to a coast.
Personally, I would prefer driving through Greece than Albania.
Bulgaria .... shoot me (if nobody does it first).
Croatia ... too far

Suggestions?

[TrueMacedonian]

Not many options for Macedonians if they want to get to a coast.
Personally, I would prefer driving through Greece than Albania.
Bulgaria .... shoot me (if nobody does it first).
Croatia ... too far

Suggestions?

They should set up an initiative with Croatia or Montenegro to have uninterruptible shuttle bus services. It would work. Especially if the RoM gov't put a travel ban on greece.

[Stojacanec]

Good idea TM. The ROM govt should put a travel ban especially when the country is in crisis. To tighten the screws so to speak.

That is what the greek govt is trying to do to ROM anyway.

[Momce Makedonce]

Out of curiosity which places in Greece do Macedonians mostly go to? Does anybody know? I unfortunately have also had my cousin from Macedonia visit Greece a matter of days ago and know plenty of Macedonia here from Oz who are always keen on going to the Greek Islands.

[Gocka]

Gocka
Any news from USA about the Greek Prime Minister meeting with Obama and discussing the name issue?

No nothing really, right now the "terror" threat in the middle east is dominating all headlines.

I wouldn't say going to Ohrid from Skopje cant be a vacation. I live in New Jersey and going to Florida, or California is certainly a vacation. Going on vacation to a foreign country isn't all its cracked up to be. Its more about bragging rights then actual rest and relaxation. Same thing with greece, somehow its become the cool thing to do and now you have to do it in order to be able to brag about it.

Its disgusting, its a pure show of inferiority just like Phoenix said.

Mk Prilep.

Please mate explain to me how the prices in Ohrid are 3 times as high as greece? so you are saying a burger and fries in greece costs 20 denars? You are saying a hotel room in greece costs only 10 euros a night, your telling me the gas alone spent driving there and back doesn't cost more then 3 nights of accommodation? That is a load of shit, its more expensive but Macedonians are fucking idiots and would rather take money out of their own economy, deprive other Macedonians of jobs, and hand both right to the 1 people who actually despise us to the core. You have got to be brain dead to do that, and they are.

Going on vacation to greece is the equivalent of being at the store and buying a greek product instead of a Macedonian one.

I swear they deserve everything and worse, and if they continue this, worse will come.

[MKPrilep]

Hi Gocka, as I wrote above I can not confirm it!!
Only tell you what I heard.
And one thing is for sure, the price are much higher than in the last years.
And by the way, it is a difference wether you are at a sea or a ocean.
But once again, I am complete against that macedonians go to greece.
For me Turkey would be the much better alternative and
I know a lot of macedonians who went this year to Turkey.

[MKPrilep]

This is what I sad.

http://www.kurir.mk/republika/opstini/125888-ANKETA-68-od-graganite-ke-letuvaat-vo-Ohrid-ako-cenite-se-namalat

АНКЕТА: 68% од граѓаните ќе летуваат во Охрид ако цените се намалат

[sydney]

Maks from all parts, including Ohrid, go to Greece. Stop thinking of Ohrid as a postcard and think about the shitty apathetic service (symptomatic nationwide) and the sour faces of the locals towards 'skopjani-pederi'. So the Maks might as well get mistreated by the sea just as much as they're mistreated internally.

[TrueMacedonian]

Maks from all parts, including Ohrid, go to Greece. Stop thinking of Ohrid as a postcard and think about the shitty apathetic service (symptomatic nationwide) and the sour faces of the locals towards 'skopjani-pederi'. So the Maks might as well get mistreated by the sea just as much as they're mistreated internally.

It's no different than when New Yorkers go to Boston. I rather prefer the sour face of a Macedonian over the sour face of a vlach in grecija spray painting my car. There is no excusing why Macedonians are going to this bankrupt country and taking abuse by the local fishermans market of Albanians, Kurds, and who knows what else.

[George S.]

the balkan countries with a few exceptions could have recpricate travel arrangements.Why go to nazi greece.the money could be kept within certain countries by passsing the nazis.

[Risto the Great]

They should set up an initiative with Croatia or Montenegro to have uninterruptible shuttle bus services. It would work. Especially if the RoM gov't put a travel ban on greece.

I know. And I am not going to make excuses for people flocking to get abused in Greece. But realistically, we are talking about hopping in your car and going for a 2 hour drive to occupied Macedonia (Greece) and enjoying some wonderful coastline. If there was no politics, Croatia would not even get a mention due to its distance.

[George S.]

i would rather go far knowing i'm safe.Just wait until these thugs start beating people.Greece does not deserve our custom.Whils't the aegean coast is beautifull id rather be alive to enjoy it on another safer day.

[Gocka]

I know. And I am not going to make excuses for people flocking to get abused in Greece. But realistically, we are talking about hopping in your car and going for a 2 hour drive to occupied Macedonia (Greece) and enjoying some wonderful coastline. If there was no politics, Croatia would not even get a mention due to its distance.

Being a patriot doesn't hinge on convenience. Realism is not relevant.

Not to mention vacationing in Ohrid, is just as much about looking out for your own interests as much as it is being principled and patriotic. Its simple economics. When you go on vacation to Greece, you take money out of the Macedonian economy and you infuse into the greek one. Theirs grows your shrinks simple. So not only are you being a moron by going to greece, and degrading yourself to unbelievable levels, you are also helping to grow their economy while helping to shrink yours. Then go and complain why there are no jobs. Tourism is a business part of the economy, not just some place you go to eat and get drunk.

And the comments about the smug faces in Ohrid. I guess they are not so smug if thousands upon thousands of Dutch people like it, and from a bunch of other countries.

[Gocka]

Hi Gocka, as I wrote above I can not confirm it!!
Only tell you what I heard.
And one thing is for sure, the price are much higher than in the last years.
And by the way, it is a difference wether you are at a sea or a ocean.
But once again, I am complete against that macedonians go to greece.
For me Turkey would be the much better alternative and
I know a lot of macedonians who went this year to Turkey.

What you are hearing is bullshit.

3 times is a big sum. No one from anywhere would go to Ohrid if it was that much more expensive. Water is water mate, Ke velzis ke se po slakas ke si odis doma. The only difference is the "bragging rights" after words of being able to say "bev me na more".

Like I said its not only about principle its about best interests. Its in Macedonians best interest to go on vacation in Macedonia. Our economy is too small to lose such large sums of money to neighboring countries. Think about how much the average vacation costs and by 500,000 people. All that money instead of circulating back into Macedonian homes is going into GREEK homes, and then they are going to use that many to wage propaganda wars and deny us of our rights.

If every single Macedonian stopped going to greece, the country would fall even deeper into chaos. 500,000 by what 200-300 euros minimum? 100 to 150 million euros gone . With the trouble they are in that's enough to sink them. You dont even have to be a patriot just a little common sense and knowing how to go after your own best interests.

But of course bragging always takes the top spot in Macedonians.

[DedoAleko]

Re: RoM Macedonians are dummies...

I find this generalisation insultive and everyone who is backing this stand an idiot.