Velika Popovska 64 year old woman turned away from Greek border 10th July 2012

[George S.]

Angliski this is bullshit if you try to apply it to macedonia.
"From the beginning of the nation state a few centuries ago, the “hatred of the other” was an essential component of national identity and determining who a people were, or were not, in their own minds.
How unfair, how bitter, how unjust the world is to the truly innocent who have suffered so much just because they want to reveal their true greatness and to achieve their unparalleled place in the world.""

Angliski are you trying to say that we Hate you.Do we really hate you to the extent you hate us with your nazi type treatments.Example velika prevention to go to her ancestral lands.Angliski you can't work out who hates who.We DON't hate the greek people we HATE the things they do.We hate the govt & what it is trying to do that is to relentlessly work to destroy macedonia.Until such time as you will change your evil hate for us for simply being the victims of a particular time & for standing in your way i'm not sorry.Macedonia belonged to its people & your govt stole it.
Your govt greek told its people to HATE the skopijans all they want is to take back their lands.After all is said & done & you aren't sorry & have not made restitution of course we want our lands back.
Just remember it's you that's doing the real hating.You know in the bible it says love your neighbour you are killing your neighbour & hope to get away with it.
Also angliski you were asked to desist from posting your bs on this thread you show no respect at all isn't that usual,the same disrespect shown at border crossings to us fellow macedonians.
The macedonian people are not a backward people like the greeks.Supposedly of the civilized world but they are in practices the most uncivilised in the world.Yes why do you hate us macedonians so much to say we don't exist you have words to describe it paranoia.You have an incessant fear of your neighbour.Well no wonder you desrve everything plus a whole lot more.You have an evil hate for us macedonians technically you shouldn't hate us as we have nothing that we did agains't you.UNLESS you look at the period of subjugation whils't under macedonian rule by alexander the great.You did show resentment at being under the macedonian yoke.

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[vodenka]

oodenka your UMD is a crap organization all it is good for is raising money for what? for themselves.They were asked to come on the MTO & explain themselves Meto has declined the invitation.When you really see what they are doing you will be shocked they are not so transparent & they are self fulling they are there to propagate themselves.As far as they are representing themselves only they don't give two hoots about representing the diaspora.Let me give you an example.The give awards to traitors of the cause.THey are for the name fyrom to be used to enter the nato & &eu that is not going to work greece will knock it on the head,another stupid idea.The umd is for the interim accord.This agreement should be called null & void but your UMD supports it.The UMD supports the use of the ventilator,the UMD actually supports a name change despite their bs that they have supported an end to the negotiations.I think the problem with the UMD is deep rooted it only accounts to itself.It will say what the masses want to hear so that they can be sucked in for funds/members & then they switch their allegiances.
Like you i used to think hey they are mean't to represent us only to the next paycheck.They are all on hefty salaries.We noticed a long time ago that the UMD is not really representing the diaspora but a certain section of the uS diaspora ie raising funds apearing on tv ,flashy cars all razamataz.THey don't care about the real matter at hand do you know they awarded gligorov one of their umd awards for services,dis you know despite what the UMD says it supports the gruevski approach of keeping on with the name negotiations.
Vodenka this is just scratching the surface ,The umd is not transparent,the eu has supplied your funds probably i was dissapointed that the UMD was a do nothing organization.It had me fooled originally but only for a while.I saw how rtg invited
Meto the head of UMD to come on the MTO & answer a few things he has so far declined.THese are normal questions of transparency & accountability & explain a few things about the organization.Don't be fooled by their bs & spin.They are masters of spin doctoring .All i know is they are are good at fundraising & getting fat paychecks in the mail
.In ending i can say Tom Vangelovski knows a hell of a lot more than me or you about the UMD ,plus a whole damn more than we think.If you listen & give him a chance he'll explaine it all to you.

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http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2012/03/blog-post_03.html

Translation:

BIG FAVOR TO YOU, METHODIE

On 21/02/2012 our revelation (here) that advisor of the «advisor» who
undertook the privatization (selling off, better) of gas reserve in Kavala,
was and perhaps still is-the President of "United pseudomacedonian
diaspora", Meto Koloski. The disclosure we made, became a question in
Parliament by MP Angelos Kolokotronis. Look at it:

To be noted, however, that the company is very big and the recruitment of
Methodios is not strange, since they need a man to infiltrate the Balkans.
Probably by today he is not working in the company anymore or he does not
play any important role.

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GREEK PARLIAMENT


ANGEL KOLOKOTRONIS
Member of Parliament A' Thessaloniki - LA.OS
TO: FINANCE MINISTER
QUESTION
Topic: "President of filo-skopian organization, 'advisor' for the
exploitation of gas reserve of "South Kavala "


Mr. Minister,
according to a report in the news-by decision of the Ministerial Committee
for Privatization and Restructuring (DEAA) of January 25, 2012 released on
13 Feb. 2012, by «Diavgia" (Clarity), the Ministry of Finance provides for
the reserve of «South Kavala», in the nationally sensitive region of
Northern Greece, that as technical advisors are taken two foreign
multinationals whose advisor on international law seems to be the alleged
"president" of UMD filoskopian organization that promotes the unpatriotic
for our country ideals of Skopje, and organizes and finances the offensive
propaganda against Greece, around the world.


I ask the Minister:
: What is the position of your ministry and government on its decision to
award to companies with which the "president" of this organization works,
which raises ethical and substantive issues regarding the criteria and the
purpose of this choice?




The Interviewer MP


Angel Kolokotronis
A Member of Thessaloniki LA.OS
Unquote

Besides Meto, Greeks and Greek-Americans have also stated, in many occasions, that the UMD is the most dangerous Macedonian organization against Greece's interests.
This is more than enough as a reason for me to support them because if Greeks are so upset with them, this means that they are doing something right for Macedonia and Macedonians!

[Angliski]

I'll pass your note on to the Greeks, George S. I'm sure they'll sleep easier at night after they've read it.

For my part these words from Robert Burns who did not write " just for the Macedonians" but for all of humanity:

"o wad some power the giftie gie us
To see ourselves as ithers see us!"

[George S.]

angliski it means nothing to you as you like to ridicule people.Also would you prefer pure hatred.??
Angliski you don't know what thefuture holds for your country very soon you may be groveling at our feet.Do you have a quote for that??

[George S.]

Vodenka your boss Meto is an opportunist he doesn't really care about macedonia.I had a good laugh when i read how greece considers the umd the most dangerous.In reality they should thank them for being so flexible in accomodating to the greek side.I nearly fell off my chair laughing.Also you guys there are blinded by the speeches have you taken the trouble to check who is paying your education costs???in reality is it meto or the eu?.

[Angliski]

I ridicule no one George S. But for a guy who doesn't hate, you sure right some pretty acrid stuff. Sounds like you're dipping your quill in hydrochloric acid.


As for a quote, this one from the King James version of the Bible ( I am a lapsed Anglican), comes to mind:

"and why beholdest though the mote that is in your brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"


best,

[George S.]

you know now what a macedonian feels deep down.I hate ,hate for aguments sake but when someone doesn't respect or says they are sorry for what they did then they are seeing me dripping with hydrochloric acid & it ain't healthy.You welcome here only if you respect us or don't insult us.i wouldn't quote from the bible ie i haven't considered the beam in my eye.I have considered it that's why i have said if youre' truly sorry then as an individual i forgive you.But to date no one has admitted to anything or said they are sorry.So a bible quote venegace is mine saith the lord".So i'm angry with your people
they should revolt & tell your govt off for doing all these wrongs agains't their neighbours.Don't forget i can hate as well one hundred time more if i'm angered.
As i said to date not many ordinary greeks have come forward but there are many who know of the injustices done to them.Lets not skirt around you know the history.

[Vangelovski]

Angliski,

Like a true journalist, you are ill-informed, irrelevant and highly presumptious.

Answer my question or look for the exit.

[Vangelovski]

Besides Meto, Greeks and Greek-Americans have also stated, in many occasions, that the UMD is the most dangerous Macedonian organization against Greece's interests.
This is more than enough as a reason for me to support them because if Greeks are so upset with them, this means that they are doing something right for Macedonia and Macedonians!

Vodenka, I couldn't care less what greeks think about UMD. In fact, UMD, by supporting the Interim Accord are Greece's best friend and Greece would naturally call them dangerous to help promote them among Macedonians.

What else does UMD stand for other than supposedly promoting the Macedonian language in Greek occupied Macedonia?

[George S.]

well back home they have hit on a nerve & that is going to be hell of a fundraiser.romoting the macedonian language in greek occupied macedonia.Seeing this organization is so transparent that even light can't escape from this black hole.Either they are paying for something as someone said the eu has allready paid for it.So vodenka you are blindly going to accept the word of the umd that they are paying for the course when in fact the eu allready paid it.Actually the umd is not dangerous to greece but dangerous to the macedonians..They are not for the cause,they prefer the flag of capitulation,The interim accord & generally support gruevski in the name negotitions just so that macedonia can get into nato & eu.Even to the extent of getting with the fyrom name,looks like will do anything to get into the eurozone.It doesn't really support the macedonian diaspora it is a self appointed organization without consulting with the diaspora on anything.
You know what the umd is going to do meld with the greek greenery & work with the greeks after all there is money to make there as well as abroad.They definitely will cooperate like the good slaves that they are.THey weren't dangerous to greece after all.

[Bill77]

I am not "giving advice" regarding Greek perceptions at the border, Bill77. I am expressing an opinion, simple minded as it might be.

An opinion is useless and a waste of time unless one knows something about the subject. I have informed you that this border refusal of entry against Macedonians (due to correct birth place on passports) is not something new that happened recently. So before you try and justify (calling it a Macedonian provocation) the reasoning for refusing elderly Macedonians by Greek border guards, don't be so careless with opinions when you who claim to be an outsider, know nothing about the situation.

Since you love quotes so much, here is one for you to remember,

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

Is foaming hatred of the Greeks the only acceptable opinion?

Showing disgust to injustice is only natural and acceptable, where keeping quiet and suffering while we wait for that "long run" that is getting shorter every day, to finally end is not acceptable.

You as a so called journalist or be it a former, must surely be aware of what is happening around the world with people not taking it any more against tyrants. Is this acceptable in your eyes? or should the people in Egypt, Syria, the Afghans, Palastinians (Just to name a few) just thrown the dog a bone and shrugg it off. What is in your heart, stays in your heart, while living a dogs life.

[Vangelovski]

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

One of my all time favourite quotes Bill

This one is particularly relevant to Angliski.

[Risto the Great]

How familiar are you with the name dispute, professor...?
Perhaps you've missed a couple of events in the last 2 decades...

The fact that Macedonia 'compromised' it's name, it's flag and elements of its constitution...

The 'pressure' that was applied to Macedonia through the economic blockade applied to the country from our southern 'neighbour'

The 'pressure' applied to Macedonia by the perpetual 'greek' veto at the EU and NATO...I guess that could also come under your (lack of) 'good-will' criteria...also the myriad of 'incidents' against Macedonian citizens and even diplomatic staff in greece.

There's an entire thread devoted to all of these examples of greek 'good-will' and 'pressure' against Macedonia on this forum.

That is about it in a nutshell.

Our dear friend Angliski was apparently a journalist in Greece way back in time. Perhaps he was there when the modern Greek state finally codified its written language in 1976. It only took them about 150 years after their language cleaning experiment gained enough momentum to settle on their written language. I hope he was using the right language back then. It may have occurred to him that it takes a while for a nation to sort out its many issues.

But, in this instance, our friend "Angliski" (who cannot seem to speak Macedonian but uses an interesting Macedonian descriptive name) simply fails to note the injustices perpetrated against the Macedonians both within Greece and against those in the Republic of Macedonia. He seeks to trivialise this by talking about tit for tat activities.

Our dear friend keeps talking about this "tit for tat" thing. I only see "tats" and no "tits".

I expect we will not see "tits" for many years to come.

The "tats" are nothing but Greek delusions associated with some nexus between modern Greeks and ancient Macedonians.

Angliski, perhaps you can explain what Greeks have to fear from their Macedonian neighbours.

[George S.]

Angliski maybe you can explain how you as a journalist in greece saw any of the $150 million that was used by the greek govt as bribe money to get journalists to write about how the macedonians were greek & the greekness of macedonia.Did you partake of this huge morsel.I know even journalists from"fyrom "were offered some of this morsel if they wrote about the greekness of macedonia.
I know from friends that are greek that tell me when they go to greek school they are taught to fear the skopijans all they want is to take their land back.We are not refered to as Macedonian s but Skopijans.Do you remember your school days being taught greek nazism & whatever the state dishes out to you to brainwash you.
Also do you remember how police listened on the window sills to check on the macedonian minority if they were speaking macedonian?If they were it's beatings & castor oil doses.for speaking macedonian.Or did you turn a blind eye to what was going on.

[vodenka]

I would like to know what you (I mean those who criticize UMD) are doing for the Macedonians and Macedonia, besides criticize all the others. From what I know, all of you are completely inexistent, outside this forum! So, your opinion about UMD leaves me completely indifferent. Go on with what you are doing. Who cares!!!!!