Smilkovci Lake Killings

[Brian]

How does Dragan find the money to pay for his computer and monthly internet fees? Especially since the poor bloke cant pay for diapers and macedonia is a third world country and people are starving like its Ethiopia.

Hopefully world vision will notice this one day and westerners can sponsor a starving macedonian child one day.

Maybe you haven't heard the saying
Ako sum siromav za hiljadarki (dollars) ne sum siromave za stotki.

Kako mislite vie, ako nemozi cojek se togas nemozi nisto

ili

ako mozi nesto togas sto muje oti ne praj se.
LOL.
Here's another one for you
Engage brain into gear before speaking.

[Brian]

@ALL

Rather than taking about are there any activist groups in RoM, how are the going, how can more be started, who can be contacted, instead let's sling shit at each other like monkeys at the zoo.

Good one guys.

But then you get upset when the Greeks call you Monkeydonians.

[Risto the Great]

@ALL

Rather than taking about are there any activist groups in RoM, how are the going, how can more be started, who can be contacted, instead let's sling shit at each other like monkeys at the zoo.

Eyy, Zaspan ... You were the moron that originally said we should be helping the activist groups in Macedonia. You were told there isn't any. Now you want to create them and want to know who can be contacted.

Your problem is that the RoMacedonians do not want to be told by the Diaspora Macedonians how they should engage their brains and how they should begin to enforce their rights.

Once you understand this you can commence at the beginning of this thread.

[Brian]

Eyy, Zaspan ... You were the moron that originally said we should be helping the activist groups in Macedonia. You were told there isn't any.

Really??? How is that possible, to have none?

How do you know?

They have had protests before. There must be some.

Now you want to create them and want to know who can be contacted.

I was thinking in terms of expand on what's there ie into more towns, not from scratch.

OMG if there's none.

[DraganOfStip]

How does Dragan find the money to pay for his computer and monthly internet fees? Especially since the poor bloke cant pay for diapers and macedonia is a third world country and people are starving like its Ethiopia.

Hopefully world vision will notice this one day and westerners can sponsor a starving macedonian child one day.

You worry about how you'll defend Australia from the evil East Timoran invaders,and I'll worry about my internet bill.Fair enough,ok?

[DraganOfStip]

Dragan, you post on this forum.
Please don't do it. You don't even have minutes to spare. You told us this.
If you have spare minutes, do something to help your fellow RoMacedonians. Don't make excuses for yourself.

If I was you, I would contact my friends and tell them to start a revolution. I would use my spare 1 minute every day to do this. I wouldn't be on the MTO forum if I had 1 spare minute every day like you.

Alright then,this is my last post on this thread.Sorry for putting my family before my country.

[Risto the Great]

Hopefully world vision will notice this one day and westerners can sponsor a starving macedonian child one day.

Perhaps we should be lobbying World Vision to sponsor the destitute Macedonian population.

My experience is the RoMacedonians can identify what model BMW or Mercedes is coming down the road based on the sound of the air swooshing around the side mirrors.

I think poverty is less of a problem than wanting to live on a champagne (Euro) budget with a Macedonian wage.

[Risto the Great]

Alright then,this is my last post on this thread.Sorry for putting my family before my country.

You said you had no time because your family was more important. That is fine. All I am saying is that if you have time to defend yourself on this forum, you could put it into far better use by being pro-active IN RoMacedonia. Use your minutes wisely.

Or are those "vrski" too scary?

[Vangelovski]

You worry about how you'll defend Australia from the evil East Timoran invaders,and I'll worry about my internet bill.Fair enough,ok?

I think BBS has a good point. When someone doesn't even know how they are going to afford milk for the day, they don't waste precious denars on internet connection.

[Risto the Great]

Here Dragan, I will give you a clue.
Start an alias on Facebook and tie it in with a blog or Twitter account. Be the "man on the ground" and point out the injustices in your neighbourhood. Be political and be interesting. I know you can be interesting, your English skills are exceptional. I am positive you would play with nuance in your Macedonian exquisitely. Generate some interest and start something. Half an hour every night. We will link it up on this forum. Sounds like a plan doesn't it? Who knows where it could end up. What is the point of the stupid Diaspora pointing out the obvious? Your observations would be infinitely more palatable.

Alternatively, feel free to defend the indefensible.

[Vangelovski]

Here Dragan, I will give you a clue.
Start an alias on Facebook and tie it in with a blog or Twitter account. Be the "man on the ground" and point out the injustices in your neighbourhood. Be political and be interesting. I know you can be interesting, your English skills are exceptional. I am positive you would play with nuance in your Macedonian exquisitely. Generate some interest and start something. Half an hour every night. We will link it up on this forum. Sounds like a plan doesn't it? Who knows where it could end up. What is the point of the stupid Diaspora pointing out the obvious? Your observations would be infinitely more palatable.

Alternatively, feel free to defend the indefensible.

I think thats a fantastic idea. I'd even say that half an hour a week would suffice.

[Bill77]

Alright then,this is my last post on this thread.Sorry for putting my family before my country.

Dragan, standing up for your country, fighting for rights, anti terrorism, is for the sake of your family, which means you are showing concern for your family's, not just present but future aswell. Why don't you get it?

[Brian]

@DraganOfStip

Do you know of any activist organisations in RoM and would you be able to suggest the idea the organisation should seek friendly business or other organisations for help such as firstly a company willing to host a chat forum website on their servers for the activists if noone wants to individually or collectively foot the bill for a high volume internet connection and running a server or if noone feels they have the technical ability to maintain it.

As membership grows high enough maybe the organisation could later start charging a small annual dues to run their own server if the friendly company gets a bit grumpy about the ever expanding number of gigs being used, also by which time the organisation may have attracted a member(s) with the appropriate technical skills to run the server themselves.

Also that it MUST strictly be a condition of that forum that ONLY people who have presented themselves IN PERSON with ID to the organisation to register be given a login id to safeguard that ONLY known to be Macedonian people are allowed in. This could also include diaspora who wile on holiday likewise present in person with ID to register for an ID.

Maybe the MTO could give the organisation their own thread to post any pertinent information and updates that can be for general consumption so that even the diaspora living in further out places around the world who might not go back to RoM as often as others can feel informed and maybe offer suggestions/ideas?

The forum could be used to discuss issues and strategies and action plans by members in different parts of RoM.

If this were to happen I think it would also be in the interest of the MTO to give the Organisation a thread because it would keep MTO members more informed and drive more traffic to the MTO. I know the MTO is not charging for membership but I was thinking along the lines of there's a lot of good information here and I can't help wondering why there aren't more members to see it?

[George S.]

DS if your very existence depended on it would you just stand bby & ignore it.Working for the family is important but you have to prioritise.If you have one person then one family thinking about food only,you have ost of macedonia.It's the slave mentality,they cannot think beyond the square ^ so can't see the big picture.

[Risto the Great]

@DraganOfStip

Do you know of any activist organisations in RoM and would you be able to suggest the idea the organisation should seek friendly business or other organisations for help such as firstly a company willing to host a chat forum website on their servers for the activists if noone wants to individually or collectively foot the bill for a high volume internet connection and running a server or if noone feels they have the technical ability to maintain it.

As membership grows high enough maybe the organisation could later start charging a small annual dues to run their own server if the friendly company gets a bit grumpy about the ever expanding number of gigs being used, also by which time the organisation may have attracted a member(s) with the appropriate technical skills to run the server themselves.

Also that it MUST strictly be a condition of that forum that ONLY people who have presented themselves IN PERSON with ID to the organisation to register be given a login id to safeguard that ONLY known to be Macedonian people are allowed in. This could also include diaspora who wile on holiday likewise present in person with ID to register for an ID.

Maybe the MTO could give the organisation their own thread to post any pertinent information and updates that can be for general consumption so that even the diaspora living in further out places around the world who might not go back to RoM as often as others can feel informed and maybe offer suggestions/ideas?

The forum could be used to discuss issues and strategies and action plans by members in different parts of RoM.

If this were to happen I think it would also be in the interest of the MTO to give the Organisation a thread because it would keep MTO members more informed and drive more traffic to the MTO. I know the MTO is not charging for membership but I was thinking along the lines of there's a lot of good information here and I can't help wondering why there aren't more members to see it?

Brian, Dragan said he won't post on this thread any more. Perhaps you can catch him on the Handball thread or something.

Some interesting ideas above ... I am sure the same thing happened in Egypt recently. Show your ID card and join the revolution.