Smilkovci Lake Killings

[DraganOfStip]

Well,now that forensics found that the weapons obtained in the police operation aren't the ones used in the murders at Zelezarsko lake,the shiptars will have a motive plus to continue posing as 'the victims' in this case...

http://tocka.com.mk/1/66006/jankuloska-petkratnoto-ubistvo-ne-e-izvrseno-so-pronajdenoto-oruzje-pri-pretresite

[DraganOfStip]

And massive protests are scheduled today in Albania against the arrests in Macedonia involving the Zelezarsko lake massacre and those in Serbia for war crimes against Serbs.Why is it that from the entire Balkan states only shiptars are being arrested,did they ever scratch their heads and think this over?Bloody animals...

http://tocka.com.mk/1/65971/protest-vo-tirana-protiv-apsenjata-vo-makedonija-i-srbija

Oh and BTW,here's another 'innocent' shiptar that's also arrested for the killings,the poor thing:

http://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/70184-Uapsen-uste-eden-osomnicen-za-ubistvata

[Mariovec]

First post

Channel 5 (Kanal 5) showed some kind of press conference with Jankulovska yesterday where a journalist asked what she knew concerning rumours involving armed albanian gangs in Skopska Crna Gora/Sarplanina. However, I only saw a small part of it.

Anyone heard of this? Is there any truth in it?

[George S.]

it all sounds like they are witholding information.If people really knew the truth they would revolt.

[TRAVOLTA]

Уште еден притворен за тероризам во „Монструм“

Проширена истрагата за Монструм. Хаки Хазири е шестоосомничен за тероризам и му е одреден 30 дневен притвор потврдуваат официјално за Kанал 5 од Кривичниот суд. Вчера дал исказ пред истражен судија по што е притворен.

http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=91003

[DedoAleko]

dui is backing off,for now. Seems there is solid evidence who the killers are.

dui is not leaving the government over "monster"":

http://dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=B819AA3175A21B4AA13C46407F6B02D3

[TRAVOLTA]

На Фејсбук се организираат антиалбански протести пред Влада.

http://www.plusinfo.mk/vest/42347/Najaven-nov-protest---v-sabota-pred-Vlada

Протест против радикалниот ислам во Македонија!
Да го спречиме ширењето на радикалниот ислам во Македонија , ако тие можат да протестираат за радикален ислам и за поддршка на убијците , епа и ние можеме ПРОТИВ! СЕГА ИЛИ НИКОГАШ ! Напомена: ДА НЕ СЕ ПРАВАТ НИКАКВИ ИНЦИДЕНТИ!
12. maj 2012
13:00

https://www.facebook.com/events/356536771062765/

[vicsinad]

Okay, but if they can do it for a soccer game then they can do it for their rights, in Skopje, where most of them live....

Why not both, then? Why does it have to be rather than?

Further, it's easy to tell someone what they should and shouldn't be doing, or what's the right way for them to be doing something. One could easily say to all of us: "It's better to do "x" rather than spreading views on an internet forum." And then we'll come up with all sorts of justifications about how we're doing something in addition to typing on a forum; and that whether or not we know for sure what those "soccer hooligans" are doing outside of soccer games, they better be doing something apart from carrying a banner at a soccer game...and that better be some sort of action that we agree with.

[ProMKD]

Why not both, then? Why does it have to be rather than?

Further, it's easy to tell someone what they should and shouldn't be doing, or what's the right way for them to be doing something. One could easily say to all of us: "It's better to do "x" rather than spreading views on an internet forum." And then we'll come up with all sorts of justifications about how we're doing something in addition to typing on a forum; and that whether or not we know for sure what those "soccer hooligans" are doing outside of soccer games, they better be doing something apart from carrying a banner at a soccer game...and that better be some sort of action that we agree with.

Let`s not beat around on technicalities here - you know what SoM said, and it was right. If there needs to be a choice, a real protest is better. If they want to protest in soccer and real life, great.

There are 800 Confirmed people coming to the protest, 176 maybe, and 10,000 invited as of now.

I hope it gets huge!

[Risto the Great]

ProMKD, you are a legend.
I hope you can stir the souls of y(our) people.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Why not both, then? Why does it have to be rather than?

The option I suggested is more effective on a number of levels, any normal person can admit to that, except perhaps some stooge with an agenda. The rest of your dribble is irrelevant. Rather than providing your armchair criticism of our suggestions, why don't you suggest something? What would your father - the SDS diaspora candidate you were recently promoting - suggest?

[vicsinad]

The option I suggested is more effective on a number of levels, any normal person can admit to that, except perhaps some stooge with an agenda. The rest of your dribble is irrelevant. Rather than providing your armchair criticism of our suggestions, why don't you suggest something? What would your father - the SDS diaspora candidate you were recently promoting - suggest?

My "armchair criticism" was commentary on your armchair criticism.

What -- do you want me to suggest something to Macedonian soccer fans/"hooligans" who are not even reading this forum? Or do you want me to tell a person that overthrowing the Macedonian government should be more important to him than keeping his job? Or do you want me to tell you that you could be doing more effective things than responding to people on a forum?

"Irrelevant" "dribble" "your father" "SDSM" "UMD" (I'm sure someone would have thrown that in sooner or later) -- so overplayed.

[Soldier of Macedon]

My "armchair criticism" was commentary on your armchair criticism.

My 'criticism' is accompanied with suggestions and encouragement to stand up for themselves and their rights. What are you suggesting, as an armchair critic? Why, in the rest of your dribble, are you asking me what I should be telling you to suggest? Aren't you capable of independent thought? Or are you being deliberately evasive because you can't stand for your (as of yet non-existent) suggestions to be scrutinised?

As for asking about what your father would suggest - what's the problem? You had no issue promoting him as a SDS candidate here a few months ago. Why are you getting so defensive now? Again, are you avoiding the question because you can't stand being scrutinised? Toughen up son, and spare me the victim charade and imaginary arguments about the UMD (who I didn't even mention).

Let`s not beat around on technicalities here - you know what SoM said, and it was right. If there needs to be a choice, a real protest is better.

He knows that, he's just acting like a little мочко because he's upset about something else.

[vicsinad]

My 'criticism' is accompanied with suggestions and encouragement to stand up for themselves and their rights. What are you suggesting, as an armchair critic? Why, in the rest of your dribble, are you asking me what I should be telling you to suggest? Aren't you capable of independent thought? Or are you being deliberately evasive because you can't stand for your (as of yet non-existent) suggestions to be scrutinised?

As for asking about what your father would suggest - what's the problem? You had no issue promoting him as a SDS candidate here a few months ago. Why are you getting so defensive now? Again, are you avoiding the question because you can't stand being scrutinised? Toughen up son, and spare me the victim charade and imaginary arguments about the UMD (who I didn't even mention).

I had no intention of suggesting anything to RoMacedonians, and I have no intentions of suggesting anything to them.

Encouragement and suggestions to stand up for their rights? We're not talking about disenfranchised and uneducated children here -- RoMacedonians know what's going on in their country, with their leaders and with their rights better than you or I do. But here's a suggestion for you -- go to Macedonia and encourage them there. MTO forum isn't the most effective place to be encouraging RoMacedonians. Or does it stop at: "well, it's their rights and their country...I can't do all the work form them." Yes, dribble...common theme here on MTO.

I'm not getting defensive. I just see no point to every time I (me, vicsinad) post something, that my father's opinion is of utmost importance. But as far as he is concerned, he's done more positive things for Macedonians and the Macedonian cause than you or your measly "encouragements and suggestions" have ever done. I think it's because he's generally a positive person and not a whiner, unlike yourself. And he doesn't waste time complaining about who isn't doing this or that, and who could be doing this or that, and how they could be doing this or that. You want to be a leader -- you want MTO to be a leading organization -- then lead through actions, be an example...be that "change."

Or not. I really don't care.

[vicsinad]

He knows that, he's just acting like a little мочко because he's upset about something else.

Ah yes, the ability to read minds and intentions through some sort of internet channels.