Republican Presidential Candidates

[Brian]

Hey Hypocrite, are you still unable to wean yourself off American imperialism and the technology its spawned? Why don't you move to North Korea or anyone of those dictatorial states that are more than willing to violate your basic rights?

While I have not for a second denied the atrocious behaviour that the US has been involved in, you can't seem to even see what's right in front of your face and what the Americans have contributed to the world, which you take advantage of every day of your life. But you're such a fool that had you lived in any other era, you would have either been hung, drawn and quartered or rotting in some prison for being stupid.

Wow, Vangelovski, do I get a choice which one?

'Bad news is news'. Why does the news, most of the time, tell us about what went wrong?
Have a think.
If you want to have a 'remember when' and recount all the good things the USA has done, then start a thread and go for it.

I'm more concerned with what's happening today and what it might lead to tomorrow. Of course to understand today's events/problems we may need to look at the past to see how something came about. If when looking into the past we find a web of problems and a pattern of deceit and treachery and we choose to discuss it, we will be discussing the bad things. It does not mean any good has never happened, even if we don't mention it, that's why your posts are mostly just a distraction - most people have some idea of the good thing the USA has done.

The NDAA and the economic path the USA has taken could jeopardise the world economy and security. Looking at what this means, and more importantly, what it could mean in the near future is relevant to us all. Wasting time on past good things doesn't help us now. Anyone can look back at this thread and see how many posts have been just a waste. Is it that you think what happens in the USA has little affect on you here in Australia? Is talking about the bad shattering the glorified image you have of the USA and you can't cope with it? Or do you just truly don't believe the bad news? Look it up for yourself. Don't go to 'kooky' conspiracy sites - go to eg the USA government website or any other website you feel are reputable and do some research.

I say the USA has bad, you say as if. I post over a dozen past bads and you say half are either, "blatantly false and/or completely unsubstantiated". I say which half and you ignore it. Why are we wasting time? What does Yugoslavia being capable of building jet fighters have to do with anything? What relevance is it if the USA is more technologically advanced - does that automatically make them nice guys? By the way, thanks for ignoring my post on the Yugoslav fighter jet and jumping in to calling me a fool who, "would have either been hung, drawn and quartered or rotting in some prison for being stupid." - you seem to do that when the point is proven.

Have a look at the NDAA and TSA and 'Fast and Furious'. See what you find, you might be surprised.

[Vangelovski]

Wow, Vangelovski, do I get a choice which one?

'Bad news is news'. Why does the news, most of the time, tell us about what went wrong?
Have a think.
If you want to have a 'remember when' and recount all the good things the USA has done, then start a thread and go for it.

I'm more concerned with what's happening today and what it might lead to tomorrow. Of course to understand today's events/problems we may need to look at the past to see how something came about. If when looking into the past we find a web of problems and a pattern of deceit and treachery and we choose to discuss it, we will be discussing the bad things. It does not mean any good has never happened, even if we don't mention it, that's why your posts are mostly just a distraction - most people have some idea of the good thing the USA has done.

The NDAA and the economic path the USA has taken could jeopardise the world economy and security. Looking at what this means, and more importantly, what it could mean in the near future is relevant to us all. Wasting time on past good things doesn't help us now. Anyone can look back at this thread and see how many posts have been just a waste. Is it that you think what happens in the USA has little affect on you here in Australia? Is talking about the bad shattering the glorified image you have of the USA and you can't cope with it? Or do you just truly don't believe the bad news? Look it up for yourself. Don't go to 'kooky' conspiracy sites - go to eg the USA government website or any other website you feel are reputable and do some research.

I say the USA has bad, you say as if. I post over a dozen past bads and you say half are either, "blatantly false and/or completely unsubstantiated". I say which half and you ignore it. Why are we wasting time? What does Yugoslavia being capable of building jet fighters have to do with anything? What relevance is it if the USA is more technologically advanced - does that automatically make them nice guys? By the way, thanks for ignoring my post on the Yugoslav fighter jet and jumping in to calling me a fool who, "would have either been hung, drawn and quartered or rotting in some prison for being stupid." - you seem to do that when the point is proven.

Have a look at the NDAA and TSA and 'Fast and Furious'. See what you find, you might be surprised.

Hypocrite, I see that you're still unable or unwilling to defy the evil imperialists that you keep banging on about - still addicted to their most effective tool for world domination - the internet.

[Brian]

Rep. Paul Broun was someone they thought was a bit 'kooky' back in 2008. How prophetic his words were. Maybe not all 'kooky' people are kooky.

Congressman: Obama wants Gestapo-like force

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27655039/ns/politics-white_house/t/congressman-obama-wants-gestapo-like-force/#.TxCAdm-9Xis

GOP rep invokes Nazis, Soviets, but Bush backed Obama's civilian corps idea

updated 11/11/2008

WASHINGTON — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado in which he called for expanding the nation's foreign service.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

The Obama transition team declined to comment on Broun's remarks. But spokesman Tommy Vietor said Obama was referring in the speech to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps that could handle postwar reconstruction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure — an idea endorsed by the Bush administration.
Broun said he believes Obama would move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national security force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential of going down that road."

[Volk]

Brian, what makes you think Ron Paul is a man of his word and not another muppet like Obama?

Could be a case of tell them what they want to hear again...

Regardless if he is or is not the real deal, I doubt the President in the US is the actual power-seat of government, more like a window boy for the public to believe they actually have a say in how the country is governed..

[makedonche]

Brian, what makes you think Ron Paul is a man of his word and not another muppet like Obama?

Could be a case of tell them what they want to hear again...

Regardless if he is or is not the real deal, I doubt the President in the US is the actual power-seat of government, more like a window boy for the public to believe they actually have a say in how the country is governed..

Volk
Sobering and realistic view!

[Brian]

Brian, what makes you think Ron Paul is a man of his word and not another muppet like Obama?

Could be a case of tell them what they want to hear again...

Regardless if he is or is not the real deal, I doubt the President in the US is the actual power-seat of government, more like a window boy for the public to believe they actually have a say in how the country is governed..

I don't think we can actually know that for certain - he could turn out to be a front (I get a 'Not Quite Right' feeling when I look at his eyes when he smiles, but that's hardly any proof).

Probably the best clue is 'consistency'. He has been in Congress for a long time and one thing that is often mentioned about him is consistency in his views, which tends to imply conviction in your thoughts/principles - many politicians flip flop on policies.

The other big clue is that he is against the Private Federal Reserve system. This is at the core of what is killing the USA. The last President to be against the Federal Reserve was Kennedy (and look what happened to him). Other presidents who have opposed the Federal Reserve (eg Lincoln, Garfield) meat with a similar fate. The private Federal Reserve has been in and out of their position a number of times, but unfortunately more in than out. The Federal Reserve supports (converting bad debts/derivative losses, ect into public debt eg 2008 'bail-outs') the 6 Mega Banks who are basically running the world economy, and now former top executives of one of these banks (Goldman Sachs) are installed as presidents of Greece and Italy. The Federal Reserve is one key component which has allowed these banks to get so powerful while the USA national debt has sky-rocketed.

He is also against the NDAA Bill which is a frightening bill in it's scope of power - effectively the President becomes a dictator.

Volk are you in the USA?

[Brian]

A nice summery of whats wrong with the NDAA and why you should think of voting for Ron Paul.

@Vangelovski
You may want to watch this and find out what's different between the USA of 1776 and the liberties that you keep harping on about, and the USA of 2012 of tyranny it has become, and why I have been criticising the USA while still recognising the positives of the USA. You might learn something. It's not a case of either like the USA or hate them. Understand?

We Will Defend Our Liberties to The Death!! Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers: 1/3 - YouTube

We Will Defend Our Liberties to The Death!! Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers: 2/3 - YouTube

We Will Defend Our Liberties to The Death!! Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers: 3/3 - YouTube

[Vangelovski]

Brian, I see you're still unable to comprehend my posts and on top of that you're still on the crack pipe.

P.S. You seem to have quite an addictive nature - still can't shake the evil imperialist internet can you?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Brian, I see you're still unable to comprehend my posts and on top of that you're still on the crack pipe.

P.S. You seem to have quite an addictive nature - still can't shake the evil imperialist internet can you?

Tom, I'm over 50 and have YET to meet a Macedonian named "Brian". Sho, e "Brian" po nashi ... Lence?

[George S.]

Mk your right that's rare for a brian for a macedonian??Please explainWhat is the macedonian equivalents.?Perhaps the numko ran out of names?I'm over 50 & i never heard of a macedonian brian.

[Brian]

Brian, I see you're still unable to comprehend my posts and on top of that you're still on the crack pipe.

P.S. You seem to have quite an addictive nature - still can't shake the evil imperialist internet can you?

I understand your posts very well - they're just STUPID.

I don't need to reconcile anything, it's your stupid definition - be against the USA, then don't use anything of theirs eg the Internet OR admit you're wrong and the USA are good and then eg use the Internet OR admit your a hypocrite.

The reason you have NOT got an answer IN THE FORM you want is because I am NOT that stupid to accept YOUR STUPID DEFINITION. (I'm not yelling, just highlighting).

To phrase such a stupid question you are either 'stupid is what stupid does' or, more likely, think you are dealing with stupid people who would fall for you stupid question.

I tried to explain to you in Post097 it is NOT an EITHER OR situation - I (or anyone) can, with full knowledge of the good the USA have done, still criticise the USA for the bad they have done and become. This is my answer, so I have not ignored the question.

Your persistent line of questioning says you are either incapable of understanding this point, or are unwilling to understand it and think that by repeating it you will make me accept YOUR STUPID DEFINITION.

Try to understand the above point, then you might not feel like repeating your stupid question.

Watch the videos in Post097 to understand what is wrong with the USA.

[Brian]

Tom, I'm over 50 and have YET to meet a Macedonian named "Brian". Sho, e "Brian" po nashi ... Lence?

I am nowhere near 50 yet have still never heard of a person called Makedonska_Kafana - is it a first name or surname or a combination of the two?

I have heard of the name Brandon being used by Macedonians, but somehow it doesn't sound very Macedonian to me. Do you know if it's a Macedonian name?

Are you questioning if I am ethnically Macedonian?

Abe gale, ostajgo Vangelovski neka si odgovouva za samsebe. Go gledas deka si pokazuva rogojte. Mislam nemas zosto da zavleguvas vo ocevidna budala razpravie za dabe. Ili, mozda ti ke mozis da mu kazis 'po starski' deka e mozno da znajs sto dobro ima nekoj naprajeno ama istovremeno e mozno da go kudis za sto zlo ima naprajeno. Do you think it was my use of English that prevented him from understanding this simple point? Can you translate it to him in your over 50's style of talk. I think everyone else has understood it.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

Kako, ti e imeto po Makedonski .. Brian? Jas, sum Alexander ..

PS - My, nephew is Brandon, however, his father is NOT Macedonian. What, nationality is your father?

[George S.]

if the nationality of the father is different that would explain the name.Nothing wrong with being called brian except it's rare for a macedonian name.

[Brian]

Kako, ti e imeto po Makedonski .. Brian? Jas, sum Alexander ..

PS - My, nephew is Brandon, however, his father is NOT Macedonian. What, nationality is your father?

Hi Alexander,

What I meant about the name Brandon was that at one time it kind of became popular amongst some younger Macedonians (in Australia) to name their children names like Brandon, which is not a typical Macedonian name. One's name does not need to be a typical Macedonian name in order for a person to be Macedonian, even if both parents are Macedonian. This is not unique to Macedonians only. I have worked with Chinese whose real first name was some Anglo name - they even showed me their driver's licence.

What does my name have to do with anything - "a rose by any other name" - especially on a forum whose standard is to typically use pseudonyms? I can understand anyone having a concern about my ethnicity as I may have some ulterior motive, as, from past reading of the MTO, some former members have tried to pass themselves off as Macedonian -but what does my name have to do with anything? If Neil Todorovski (re "Bikie shot down - Neil Todorovski") can have a name like Neil, why can't anyone have any name?

Phoenix thought I was OziMak, and now you think I'm Fatso (re "Brian's Corner" Post161)? LOL.


@All

Guys, everything I have posted is factual from reputable news services. I also do look at some alternate media as they tend to lead with new 'stuff' before it hits the main media, but I always try and find a main media source to firstly verify the story and then post.

We are potentially facing the biggest rip-off ever (fraudulent loans and derivative losses masked as security then converted to nation debt via bail outs) leading to a collapse of the financial system while war has been happening ('Arab Spring) and looming bigger war with Syria and/or Iran potentially dragging Russia and/or China into the conflict (WW3?) - the biggest things ever in our lifetime, and yet more posts have been spent about my name or trying to get me to answer stupidly framed questions to admit the 'glory' of the USA or ridicule me because these events are culminating in 2012, even though I have stated I am concerned with real world events which happen to be happening in 2012. Are you all not interested in these major events of our lifetime? You cannot just not believe what I have posted because you have the internet and can search these facts yourself - what is there to believe or not believe when you can find it for yourself and my posts always include the link to the article from a reputable news service?

There is one chance for events to possibly turn out peacefully - Ron Paul - and it is only possible in this year's USA elections (not the Mayans). The USA system spends a whole year in 'election mode' because of their Primaries so now is the only time to be talking about these issues whereby, hopefully, spread from a source (eg MTO) to you, and then to those you know, and then those they know, ect. 'People power' is the only thing that may change things, or we're all doomed in the not to distant future. Non USA citizens need not feel secure - global economics and global wars can reach even your little corner.

Can we stop wasting time now on irrelevant issues?