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[Brian]

@RtG
@Vangelovski

Get real guys.

You are basically saying look the USA has done some great things, doesn't that make them good, you have to say yes or refute all the good. If you can't refute all the good then you must admit you are wrong and they are good.

Wrong. Why you cannot understand this as reasonably intelligent people is a mystery.

Have they done some good - yes - but look at all the bad they have done to others, and more importantly, to their own citizens

Do we need to glow over past glories or look at the bad they have become and how they got there with each incremental bad. Are you saying all the good counters the bad and we should deem them good, particularly when the current bad means destruction? They were bad all along, even from the day they slaughter the original Indians that helped them survive the first year. The fact they did their bad in secret while maintaining the facade of of everything good does not make them good. In fact to have a facade of good requires some actual good to be done, and all you harp about is look at the actual good they have done.

The NDAA means any citizen can be arrested and detained indefinitely without due process or appeal, so much for your Bill of Rights and the good it was. But look, there was a good, doesn't count.

One could use your own logic and ask if you cannot refute all the bad then you must admit you are wrong and they are bad. Can you refute all the bad - No.

Do you now understand why I can call them bad without having to refute every good they have done?

[Brian]

Brian,

There are certain things that happened in the US that could not have happened anywhere else without the American example and that is because of the unique circumstances that converged there. You should do some actual research rather than relying on your BS conspiracy websites.

The political freedom we now enjoy began in the US and it was only possible in the US because of the nature of the colonies, the specific beliefs of the colonists and the specific circumstances in which they found themselves. The UK was not even close and your "Magna Carta" was in relation to the "rights" of hereditary lords not the natural inalienable rights of individuals. I'm not, however, surprised that you have no idea what the difference is and that you went along with the myth that somehow the "Magna Carta" was a precursor to it.

Not that you are worth arguing with when you get on your pedestal, but..
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"The 1215 charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties, and accept that his will was not arbitrary, for example by explicitly accepting that no "freeman" (in the sense of non-serf) could be punished except through the law of the land, a right which is still in existence today.
Magna Carta was the first document forced onto an English King by a group of his subjects, the feudal barons, in an attempt to limit his powers by law and protect their privileges. It was preceded and directly influenced by the Charter of Liberties in 1100, in which KingHenry I had specified particular areas wherein his powers would be limited." (wikipedia)

Just because it is not in a more complete form as the laws of today, or 1776, does not mean it was not the start of that line of thinking. One can only speculate if there was no USA would something like the Bill of Rights emerged.

You constantly go on about 'Man's inalienable rights'. You say they are part of Man's inner being. Do you think it reasonable that men would feel these rights, even if they were not written on paper? Do you then think it reasonable that Men would strive towards it wherever they are? Then is it not reasonable that at some time a 'Bill of Rights' would have emerged even if there never was a USA?

[Risto the Great]

@RtG
@Vangelovski

Get real guys.

In amongst your dribble you are yet to identify which nation does it better. Will China do it better or are you looking for Atlantis still?

By all means feel free to bag the USA. I do. I was merely wanting you to admit who (right now or in history) has been in such a position of influence and done it better than the USA. But by all means carry on about the NWO and aliens and flyspray or whatever. Because you rock.

[Brian]

Bigger and stronger doesn't mean better. If there is noone bigger or stronger than them using the Westminster system of law does not make them good nor you right. Are they better than Russia or China, who are the only other 'big and strong' to compare them to is irrelevant. Scoring 40% on a test, but still being top of your class, does not make you good - only better.

As it stands, with the NDAA into law, the British or Australian or Canadian citizen has better rights than any USA citizen, even though these countries are not bigger or stronger.

[Risto the Great]

Scoring 40% on a test, but still being top of your class, does not make you good - only better.

Back to Utopia now are you?
I agree, Utopia would be better. And quite possibly Super Mario World as well.

But it is a lonely old place when you are a super power isn't it. You know, maybe China is getting close, but I have been there a few times ... guess what ... it isn't getting close. Try harder to convince me that another world power does it better Brian.

[Vangelovski]

Brian,

Its impossible to have a sensible conversation with you. How do you explain to someone that a piece of paper is really white when they've deluded themselves into believing its black?

[Brian]

Back to Utopia now are you?
I agree, Utopia would be better. And quite possibly Super Mario World as well.

But it is a lonely old place when you are a super power isn't it. You know, maybe China is getting close, but I have been there a few times ... guess what ... it isn't getting close. Try harder to convince me that another world power does it better Brian.

Then are you saying 'might is right'? Then if you do, then they should cut the morally superior crap. Get it?

The USA has sacrificed her own citizens in cold blood. Utopia is bullshit, but also don't get high and mighty when someone calls them out on it and says their moral spin is a lie, here's the truth. A crime is a crime, even if it's perpetrated by the President or the state - remember 'no man is above the law' supposedly? You can't have it both ways -rule of law, or glorious dictator is always right.

[Brian]

By the way guys, I couldn't help smirking when I saw the "Yugoslavia Space Program" thread. The Head of the USA space program was a Nazi from Germany and how in 1961 Yugoslavia sold her space program to the USA and in the same year President Kennedy announces the USA is going to the moon - coincidence? or should have had a product of Yugo stamped on the rocket. LOL.

USA good. USA do everything, know everything, make everything supper good. LOL. There is sooome good there, but stop sucking up their asses like they are better than sliced bread.

If you come across its sometime, there once was a doco on Aussie inventions, and the funny thing was how many went straight off to the USA. Be a good thug/thief/swindler, make lots of money and buy all the brains/inventions you need to bling yourself then spin it as all your natural ability - it's kind of true, it was your natural ability as a thug and a thief/swindler. Kind of like Turkish style coffee and baklava, the star of Virginia and Macedonia are Greek. Do they do it better guys?

[Vangelovski]

Brian,

Its impossible to have a sensible conversation with you. How do you explain to someone that a piece of paper is really white when they've deluded themselves into believing its black?

Brian, did the "Yugo's" come up with an answer to this as well? Its weird how Yugoslavia had an advanced space program, but had no military or civilian technological spin off's from it. For example, they couldn't even design their own car and of more relevance, an automobile engine. The 'Yugo' was a re-badged fiat with slight modifications built under licence.

[Phoenix]

Brian, did the "Yugo's" come up with an answer to this as well? Its weird how Yugoslavia had an advanced space program, but had no military or civilian technological spin off's from it. For example, they couldn't even design their own car and of more relevance, an automobile engine. The 'Yugo' was a re-badged fiat with slight modifications built under licence.

Car design and manufacture is a pretty complicated business, Yugoslavia did have a basic auto industry, as well as a slightly more advanced aerospace industry...I don't believe any of that space program stuff though...

[Brian]

Brian, did the "Yugo's" come up with an answer to this as well? Its weird how Yugoslavia had an advanced space program, but had no military or civilian technological spin off's from it. For example, they couldn't even design their own car and of more relevance, an automobile engine. The 'Yugo' was a re-badged fiat with slight modifications built under licence.

Why develop something for the peasants when you have to compete on the world with it when you want to force as many out (especially Macedonians and other possible trouble makers) into the diaspora to send money back to their poor relatives via Yugo Bank - easy deviz. How many cars would they need to sell to get that much devis. Even now a good portion of Macedonia's income is money from the diaspora (sending or holidaying).

Yet they had their own bloody good jets and other hardware...mmm.

[Vangelovski]

I'm not sure how advanced the Yugoslav aircraft industry was - most of what they made were trainers/recon planes and the bulk of their fighting fleet was Soviet. Maybe Tito sold his aerospace secrets to the Russians and then bought the finished product back off them? Or maybe Brian has just lost the plot completely.

[Brian]

I'm not sure how advanced the Yugoslav aircraft industry was - most of what they made were trainers/recon planes and the bulk of their fighting fleet was Soviet. Maybe Tito sold his aerospace secrets to the Russians and then bought the finished product back off them? Or maybe Brian has just lost the plot completely.

Maybe a little more research will help you in you post - you wouldn't want to "loose the plot".

Do you have a complex about why Yugoslavia or Macedonia didn't develop into some 'supper power' and that you're from there that you need to nit-pick everything and glorify the USA - feeeel the poweerrr! LOL. Why don't you move there if you think they are so good and quit your whining.

By the way...
But even this, for a pissy little country, is quite an achievement.

J-22 ORAO



The Orao is a twin-engine, turbojet, high-wing aircraft intended for within the zone of the front and also in the enemy rear. It is manufactured in single-seater (J-22) and two-seater (NJ-22) versions and as a single-seater (IJ-22) and two-seater (INJ-22) reconnaissance plane, though the latter's engine does not have afterburning. The wing is trapezoidal, swept-back, low thickness ratio with pronounced strakes (hybrid wings).

[Brian]

Ron Paul was robbed in Iowa. He is the only real choice.

Mitt Wins NH, Paul Advises Rest to Drop Out

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/20073/45/

Wednesday, 11 January 2012
Ron Paul tonight scored an historic second-place victory in the 2012 New Hampshire Primary. Below find comments from National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton:

“Ron Paul tonight had an incredibly strong second-place finish in New Hampshire and has stunned the national media and political establishment.

“When added to Paul’s top-tier showing in Iowa, it’s clear he is the sole Republican candidate who can take on and defeat both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.

“The race is becoming more clearly a two-man race between establishment candidate Mitt Romney and Ron Paul, the candidate of authentic change. That means there is only one true conservative choice.

"Ron Paul has won more votes in Iowa and New Hampshire than any candidate but Mitt Romney.

"Ron Paul and Mitt Romney have been shown in national polls to be the only two candidates who can defeat Barack Obama.

"And Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are the only two candidates who can run a full, national campaign, competing in state after state over the coming weeks and months. Ron Paul's fundraising numbers -- over $13 million this quarter -- also prove he will be able to compete with Mitt Romney. No other candidate can do all of these things.

"Ron Paul is clearly the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney as the campaign goes forward.

“We urge Ron Paul’s opponents who have been unsuccessfully trying to be the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney to unite by getting out of the race and uniting behind Paul’s candidacy.

“Ron Paul has the boldest plan to cut spending, a dedication to protecting life, and a lifelong dedication to the Constitution and limited government. He also has the necessary support to campaign nationwide against Mitt Romney.

“Our campaign is already planning ahead for South Carolina, Florida, and beyond. Soon Ron Paul will head to South Carolina to begin a feverish round of campaigning.

“Ron Paul is in this race for the long haul. And he is ready to fight.

“See you on the campaign trail.”

[Vangelovski]

Maybe a little more research will help you in you post - you wouldn't want to "loose the plot".

Do you have a complex about why Yugoslavia or Macedonia didn't develop into some 'supper power' and that you're from there that you need to nit-pick everything and glorify the USA - feeeel the poweerrr! LOL. Why don't you move there if you think they are so good and quit your whining.

By the way...
But even this, for a pissy little country, is quite an achievement.

Hey Hypocrite, are you still unable to wean yourself off American imperialism and the technology its spawned? Why don't you move to North Korea or anyone of those dictatorial states that are more than willing to violate your basic rights?

While I have not for a second denied the atrocious behaviour that the US has been involved in, you can't seem to even see what's right in front of your face and what the Americans have contributed to the world, which you take advantage of every day of your life. But you're such a fool that had you lived in any other era, you would have either been hung, drawn and quartered or rotting in some prison for being stupid.