Riots in England

[Onur]

Iran`s response is better

They say that Iran`s military force is ready to help for the security of British people and asking UN to look out for the situation!!! hehe. Also Ahmadinejad says that Iran embassy is open for any protestor to refuge because of police brutality

And this is justified so cuz Brits did the same when people in Iran protested in the streets

UK riots: Iran calls on UN to intervene over 'violent suppression'

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad condemns British government for its 'brutal beating' of 'the opposition'

Having already offered to send an expert team to investigate human rights abuses amid the riots, the Iranian regime has gone one step further and called on the UN security council to intervene over the British government's handling of the unrest rocking the country.

Speaking to reporters after a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, condemned the British government for its "violent suppression" of the protesters and called for an end to what he described as the "killing and brutal beating" of "the opposition" angry with the government's financial policies.

"The real opposition are the people who are beaten up and killed on the streets of London, those whose voices are not heard by anyone," Iran's Irna state news agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

The foreign ministry, went so far as to issue a statement advising against any unnecessary travel to the UK.

On Tuesday night, conservative websites sympathetic to the Islamic regime called on the Iranian government to offer refuge in its embassy in London to "UK protesters in need of protection".

In the aftermath of Iran's disputed presidential election in 2009, some European embassies in Tehran opened their doors to opposition protesters.

Iranian officials infuriated by the UK's condemnation of Iran's human rights violations in recent years, have found a unique opportunity with recent events to get back at the British government by criticising the police force for "exercising violence".

Ahmadinejad criticised the UN security council for remaining silent over the riots in Britain. "What else should happen for the security council to react and condemn one of its own members?"

He accused the UK authorities of portraying its opposition as a group of "looters, rioters and drug dealers", adding: "Does Britain have this extent of drug dealers? If this is the case, they should be tried and UN should build walls surrounding their country."

Ahmadinejad said the protests were the result of London's imperialist policies of the past three centuries and of ignoring the poor. "Time is up for few capitalist families with different titles to loot other nations and governments and making them slaves," he said.

"Instead of giving up their wealth to control their deficit, the burden has been put on masses. There are pressures in crisis and it's evident that people would protest in such a situation," he said.

Ahmadinejad said British officials should stop meddling in other people's affairs and instead worry about their own. "Instead of interfering in others' affairs in Afghanistan, Iraq and attacking Libya, they should deal with their own people."

He asked Britain to listen to the demands of its people and criticised human rights organisations for remaining silent over the violence used against British protesters.

At the same time, an Iranian member of the parliament who chairs its human rights committee accused the British police of adopting a "racist" approach towards "protesters", Iran's state-run Press TV reported.

Meanwhile, Iranian officials unveiled a book called "UK's Role in the 2009 Crisis" which examines what the Iranian regime says was the role of the UK government in orchestrating protests in the aftermath of Iran's presidential election, the semi-official Ibna news agency reported.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ud-ahmadinejad

[Risto the Great]

Not exactly the same problems, but I would think the responses from Libya & Iran are timely and worth a shot.

[Zarni]

I like the Iranian Governments pointing fingers and even mocking

scores of arrests n any Country that isn’t a Western porn would see condemnations and threats by Western Governments
it is exactly the same if that is the angle you like to take

[Zarni]

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/08/turn-off-social-media-and-news/

Letter from the U.K.: If We’re Turning Off Social Media, I Want News Channels Shut Down, Too

The British PM is proposing the same as Staes he calls regimes

[Zarni]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/13/us-britain-riot-idUSTRE7760G820110813

UK government says must tackle social problems after riots

[Soldier of Macedon]

That was one hell of a rant and made absolutely no sense at all.

Useless response. I didn't really expect a senseless person to make sense of it. In future, choose your accusations more carefully.

The truth is not in the books you read, but on the ground.

Those books are often written based on the accounts of people that live there or have lived there. Are you denying the accounts of my people that have suffered at the hands of yours?

The thread with that ovrichani festival is proof enough of what is the "truth".

Proof of what? That the Greek state is a democratic one?

We are ethnically pure.........

You're clinically insane. And you're beginning to spread too many of your lies here. I suggest you tone it down, now.

Everybody here is in line and it works quite well.

Lol.

Racist scum ? Nice SOM, real class you got there brother.

Just pointing out the obvious fact, brother. You have no tolerance for other peoples, and you even promote such fascist views. This means that you have no issue with the way Greeks have treated Macedonians over the last 150 years. Consequently, this makes you racist scum.

[Soldier of Macedon]

scores of arrests n any Country that isn’t a Western porn would see condemnations and threats by Western Governments
it is exactly the same if that is the angle you like to take

I think you meant western 'pawn', lol, but anyway, I agree with the point you made above. If Macedonia were to respond this way to a civil disturbance they would automatically be accused on heavy-handed tactics, if a Macedonian leader were to say 'whatever it takes' and dismiss human rights concerns (be they authentic or not) as 'false' just like Cameron did, they would be severely criticised by the West.

[Zarni]

Ha ha thanks for noting that SOM although porn isn’t too far of a emotional comparison to Leaders prostituting themselves to please the hypocrites of the West

[Pelister]

This has been a flatscreen TV riot. People usually riot because of food shortages, or some gross injustices. These riots have been about getting a new TV for free. The Millwall football fans, usually the ones causing the trouble, realised that the street thugs were simple thieves and looters looking to make a quick buck on the chaos, and took matters into their own hands in the south of London, which is why shops in Millwall were untouched (not that they tried).

[Zarni]

Yes this has seen opportunism no doubt but this is about deep seated social problems. Remember how this all began with the death of a man by Police but for the bigger perspective,
Rich vs poor, unemployment, Racism, British Nationalism vs Immigration and Crime and it net effects, Australians just don’t get how different the ghettos of Europe are.
I don’t care for Western Europe I hope their Societies rot, if the same were to occur when the restless Albanians seek more than the Ohrid Agreement in the next 3-5 years what would the Europeans expect the Macedonians do I think we all understand

[Onur]

Yes this has seen opportunism no doubt but this is about deep seated social problems.

I agree to that.

I heard that in England, the social funds has been reduced by 75% for a year and this was much likely the only income for many people in poor areas of London. This is one of the effects of global economical crisis and this is currently valid for all western states. All of them trying to spend less, mostly by cutting the social welfare funds.

I believe that the world's current economic system will completely stop functioning in near future and this major change in world economics will bring new changes in world politics like for example; globalization will be replaced by localization in whole world. The concept of nation states will be as important as it was in 19th century and early 20th century. The ones who can adapt to this, will come out strong but the ones who self-destructed his own nation in the name of political unions like EU will struggle A LOT. I believe that these countries are prime candidates for future breakups as well as the fake states like Belgium which created by the diehard federalist bureaucrats.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The ones who can adapt to this, will come out strong but the ones who self-destructed his own nation in the name of political unions like EU will struggle A LOT.

The above fits the bill for Macedonia - so long as traitors and enemies of the state remain in government.

[Pelister]

Yes this has seen opportunism no doubt but this is about deep seated social problems. Remember how this all began with the death of a man by Police but for the bigger perspective,
Rich vs poor, unemployment, Racism, British Nationalism vs Immigration and Crime and it net effects, Australians just don’t get how different the ghettos of Europe are.
I don’t care for Western Europe I hope their Societies rot, if the same were to occur when the restless Albanians seek more than the Ohrid Agreement in the next 3-5 years what would the Europeans expect the Macedonians do I think we all understand

You simply can't let hooligans, thieves and thugs walk around breaking windows and stealing property and let them get away with it. I don't care what 'caused' it, the British police should have smashed them. If it was Albanians doing the same thing in Macedonia, I would expect the Macedonian authorities to clamp down hard on them. The trouble these days is that the media is full of shite, it sensationalizes everything, makes things out to be worse than they are, and it looks like that even nations are held accountable to 'trial by media' and condemned for it. The villification and condemnation of any kind of Macedonian defense, however, is operating on a whole different level. This anti-Macedonian push has deep roots in the E.U and other places.

[Jankovska]

I agree to that.

I heard that in England, the social funds has been reduced by 75% for a year and this was much likely the only income for many people in poor areas of London. This is one of the effects of global economical crisis and this is currently valid for all western states. All of them trying to spend less, mostly by cutting the social welfare funds.

I believe that the world's current economic system will completely stop functioning in near future and this major change in world economics will bring new changes in world politics like for example; globalization will be replaced by localization in whole world. The concept of nation states will be as important as it was in 19th century and early 20th century. The ones who can adapt to this, will come out strong but the ones who self-destructed his own nation in the name of political unions like EU will struggle A LOT. I believe that these countries are prime candidates for future breakups as well as the fake states like Belgium which created by the diehard federalist bureaucrats.

That is not correct. In the UK if you are unemployed you will have your rent paid, your tax covered and you get benefits.
So for example if I were not working I will be getting the following
£980 per month (my rent is a £1000)
free from council tax which is £130
child benefits £400 per month
jobseekers allowance £280.
No country allows this but the UK. Cut the benefits- I think he should stop them all together
Many people work for much less so to answer your question, no it's not because of benefits cuts it's because of lazy sods who were born to fuckd parents and they grew up to be just as fucked. No matter what someone takes or gives to these people it will not be good enough- they should be shipped of to Africa as a punishment to use them as manual labour where they can see how the rest of the world lives- maybe and maybe only than they stand a chance to appreciate and be proud to be British.

[Onur]

Jankovska, there are 100s of articles like this all over the web. I was talking about this;

U.K.'s broken social contract blamed for riots

The spark that lit riots in Britain last week is rooted in the government's radical alteration of the social contract with its citizens, says a Toronto psychiatrist who was born and raised in the U.K.

People at the lower margins of society feel abandoned and powerless to the point where they lash out in fear, says Dr. Kwame McKenzie.

"It is about changing the relationship between government and the citizen. Essentially they are rewriting the social contract so that people are more self-reliant and less reliant on government," he says.

"So rather than rely on a public pension, you should have your own. Education is less about a resource for the nation, than it is a personal investment. You get a university education to help your career and increase the money you make rather than [the value that] an educated population is good for the country and we all benefit. It is a change to smaller government using the U.S. model, but that is not the European way."

The upheaval in Britain is also linked to a culture of entitlement that is part of the original social contract, he adds. People in the U.K. have a very set idea of what it is the state owes them, and change from that is difficult.

"People are being asked to move from a socialized tradition to a market economy where it is dog eat dog."

McKenzie's research specialty at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto is the social causes underlying societal problems. He grew up in Ealing, a suburb of London, and immigrated to Canada four years ago.

He describes three factors at play in the riots that arise from a rewritten social contract.

The first is the breakdown in social cohesion — the glue that keeps people thinking about "we" rather than "me" and stops people from looting your shop because it's part of a community and we're all in this together.

"What's happened in the last 30 years in the U.K. is increasing income inequality similar to what you find in America, and that affects how people think about society and about each other," he says.

"There is a huge amount of evidence that the greater the gap between rich and poor, your social cohesion is undermined."

McKenzie calls the inequality, which leads to greater criminality and lower educational attainment, a "social cancer."

The second factor is the government's austerity measures.

Until 1997, university education in Britain was free for everyone. In 1998, the government brought in fees of about $1,600 per year for tuition at the country's top universities. By 2012, that figure will be about $16,000. At the same time, the financial assistance given to needy students was eliminated.

"So that route out of poverty has been taken away," says McKenzie, who not only got a free medical education in Britain but also received a government stipend to cover living expenses as was customary at the time.

Unemployment in Britain has doubled in the last five years, which leads to more people being ill, and frustrated.

"The system used to be able to cater to the less well-educated. Unskilled jobs would catch the people who did not do so well at school. Those jobs are now gone abroad and there is no replacement," says McKenzie.

"Governments are disengaging and leaving it to the market. But the market has a history of not bothering."

At the same time, the government cut the health-care budget by 25 per cent and raised the sales tax from 15 to 20 per cent. All of these changes tend to affect people of lower socio-economic status more because they have fewer resources to cope, says McKenzie.

"When the goods are dangled before them and then the means of accessing them are removed, that is dangerous."

A third factor, he says, is that people increasingly feel they have no voice in how their society is structured.

Moreover, all of this is happening against a backdrop of global recession and conflict in the Middle East.

Ordinary Britons, McKenzie points out, feel "How come you can't bail out poor people but you bail out banks? How come you haven't got the money to fund the NHS [National Health Service] but you're dropping bombs on Libya which is costing billions?"

"It fuels the growing frustrations. It's not just this government, it's been successive governments that have presided over this social experiment."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-k-broken-...123217089.html

But i agree with you about the rioters behavior. I saw young people on tv, who tries to steal 10s of ipods, lcd tvs with laugh on their faces. They were looking like complete assholes who tries to benefit from the mess.

Listen to this young man tough, He speaks to the London mayor and he is 100% right;
LONDON RIOTS: Young man speaks up to London Mayor Boris Johnson: Not shown on UK Media - YouTube