Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

[Onur]

They did a very poor job and in some cases basically ruled straight lines on a piece of paper. What do you think would have been a better solution for them, Onur? To stick with the Turks, to have one large Arabic state, or something else?

Yes indeed, they did a very poor job. For example, Gertrude Bell drew the borders of today`s Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait in just few hours on a small paper!!! She says so in his letters to the British government.

To stick with the Turks??!!! No way, because even if they wanted to, we wouldn't possibly stick with them in any way. Especially after the death of ~200.000 Turkish soldiers in Arabian deserts in WW-1, simply no way at all. For example in 1930s, Syria`s Arabic rulers wanted to join and become a part of new Turkish republic but Ataturk kindly refused them.


I believe the best solution for them is to create some kind of Arabic federation to cover whole middle east but western world doesn't allow this to happen because eventually, an Arabic federation doesn't allow their energy sources to be leeched by them. Iran doesn't want this either. Arabs simply cannot live in a system which we currently live in the western world. They don't have the culture of nation states and democracy for 1000s of years and since most of them are ignorant and deeply religious people, they will probably never learn this culture in foreseeable future. Even the most ancient one among them, the situation in Egypt is quite catastrophic too and so far away from their past glory.

Ofc we should keep Persians away from all of this mess because they continue to their 1000s years of tradition of their unity and solidarity. They are not like Arabs, probably only thing common with them is their religion, just like us, Turks. Iran is a strong country, proud people with their culture and heritage. They live in sharia regime for few decades but i believe things will be "normal" in there sooner or later. If you read the books about the islamic golden era after 8th century, you see that the precursors of that era was also Iranians but not Arabs.

[lavce pelagonski]

Macedonian MoFA recognises Libyan National Transitional Council

27. August 2011. | 08:48

Source: MIA

The Republic of Macedonia recognizes NTC as a legitimate representative of Libyan people and state," reads an online MoFA information on Macedonia's foreign policy priorities.

Macedonia recognizes the Libyan rebel National Transitional Council (NTC) as the only legitimate authority in the country, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MoFA) says on its website.

"The Republic of Macedonia supports and joins the international community's efforts and activities for implementing the objectives of the UN Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.

The Republic of Macedonia, in line with the EU position, has been applying all restrictive measures for Libya, adopted by the Council.

The Republic of Macedonia recognizes NTC as a legitimate representative of Libyan people and state," reads an online MoFA information on Macedonia's foreign policy priorities.

http://www.emg.rs/en/news/region/162770.html

[George S.]

Do you know lavce if australia recognizes this council??

[lavce pelagonski]

If America does Australia will follow

[Soldier of Macedon]

So will Macedonia.

[Zarni]

All is needed are Macedonian soldiers as part if a Nato force to serve the primary interests of France and Great Britian who already have contractors on the ground "rebuilding essesntial services" our price we hope is please let us join you club Nato sir

[Zarni]

Australia 3 months ago in recognised Terrorists or common thugs as LIbya's legitamte Govt.

On terrorists I remember reading the UK telegraph during the first moments of the war and a rag tag commaber of the Rebels openly admitting he just a weeks before was with AQ in Afganistan and so were most of his merry men

Like these thugs to become democrats and wonderful humans

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/13/AR2011031303908.html

[Egejska]

commander of the Revolutionaries

Fixed.

The Republic of Macedonia recognizes NTC as a legitimate representative of Libyan people and state," reads an online MoFA information on Macedonia's foreign policy priorities.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Egejska, why does that make you so happy? Macedonia recognises whoever it is told to recognise. What I would like to know is when will Macedonia recognise itself at the United Nations?

[Egejska]

Egejska, why does that make you so happy? Macedonia recognises whoever it is told to recognise. What I would like to know is when will Macedonia recognise itself at the United Nations?

I think, it is great to see Macedonia recognising the real government body who represents the Libyan people and state. Putting aside, all of the political bullshit that goes on, however. After all, these revolutionaries deserve it after their determination and perseverance.

Real question, is why hasn't Macedonia recognised South Sudan?

[Zarni]

Egejska you are very young and niave or plainly being sarcastic I hope it is the second brother

[Soldier of Macedon]

I think, it is great to see Macedonia recognising the real government body who represents the Libyan people and state.

How do they represent the Libyan people? Were they elected into their positions of power?

........these revolutionaries deserve it after their determination and perseverance.

Do you think the rebels and the TNC would have achieved their aims without the assistance of the West? The previous leadership were no angels and probably got what was coming to them, but don't you think that was a decision for the Libyan people to make, as opposed to the West? What happened to the UN agreement that their only involvement was to prevent air-strikes from the government? When did that start reading as strikes on defensive positions? How much do you really know about the war in Libya?

Real question, is why hasn't Macedonia recognised South Sudan?

Real question? As opposed to what, my 'fake' question? Macedonians need to channel their energy on the Macedonian situation first and foremost, unless you think recognising South Sudan is more imporant than Macedonia recgonising itself at the UN?

[George S.]

we must remember that this group is not even elected to represent the people .we are told that they are the representatives of the people.We don't know who is really behind these people.Without the right info we just don't know who or what is really behind it.It's kind of ironic we are recognizing other countries but when will macedonia recognize itself on the un as a sovereign nation.

[Zarni]

The Southern Region of Libya per capita is only second to Saudi Arabia producing the largest number of insurgent fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

[George S.]

so what are they trying to do overthrow themselves.The same people will come back again.