Conflicts in the Middle East & Northern Africa

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Now they gonna prop up another puppet in Lybia.

[fyrOM]

The French media from the UK are flying more combat aircraft...WTF...?

Thats typical of the confusing rubbish you always post fyrOM.

Comprehension and recognition problems again????
It's the article - and google translate - you moron.
It's not something I wrote, but you always did have a problem with the obvious!

[fyrOM]

fyrOM, when you quote Onur and then refer to RTG, its hard to tell who you think you're addressing. Add to the the irrelevant nonsense and one can only logically assume the bong is talking. Again, what are "relative rights"?

Any number above one still confusing you is it???hahahaha!!!!

Is, "get off the bong" what they kept on saying to you? before you became a religious nut with the few brain cells you had left?

So is that why you keep repeating about bongs when you get confused and don't understand obvious things? You think your confusion is the result of the other party? They obviously didn't do a good enough job cleaning you up - but then maybe that's all the brain cells that were left to work with.

[fyrOM]

I always enjoy Onur's posts. I often commend him for his contributions. I find it interesting how articulate a person can be even when English is not their first language. Then there is you. French media bombing Libya with UK combat aircraft n'all.

They do say lions are loyal. Is that why you jump in to defend your dumb mates even when their mistake is glaringly obvious.

Well if you sleep with dogs you catch flees like them, likewise if you associate with morons you slowly become one and miss obvious things and/or inherit their spite.

I find it extremely funny how you (collective) get so caught up in the 'pack mentality' and you (the principle 4 but and others) try to out-do each other in stupidity thinking you are making me look bad and in doing so become oblivious to the fact that although this site is sort of a closed environment - people think they can say the dumbest things behind closed doors - it's more like being in a bottle that give you the illusion of a 'closed environment' - but like a bottle, people can still see inside and see the level of your collective stupidity. Great for the reputation - both yours' and the sites'. Keep going fellas!!!

[Soldier of Macedon]

BREAKING NEWS:

The French media entered Libyan territory with authentic AK-47's from the UK, with air support provided by OziMak who is hovering above in a cloud of (bong) smoke, lol. I thought I should compliment your recent trend of stupidity. I am sure you can make sense of the above after a nada-bong.

[fyrOM]

BREAKING NEWS:

The French media entered Libyan territory with authentic AK-47's from the UK, with air support provided by OziMak who is hovering above in a cloud of (bong) smoke, lol. I thought I should compliment your recent trend of stupidity. I am sure you can make sense of the above after a nada-bong.

Maybe you missed this posted above.

Comprehension and recognition problems again????
It's the article - and google translate - you moron.
It's not something I wrote, but you always did have a problem with the obvious!

Seems stupidity is catching! Keep it up!

Did you miss this bit too?...

I find it extremely funny how you (collective) get so caught up in the 'pack mentality' and you (the principle 4 but and others) try to out-do each other in stupidity thinking you are making me look bad and in doing so become oblivious to the fact that although this site is sort of a closed environment - people think they can say the dumbest things behind closed doors - it's more like being in a bottle that give you the illusion of a 'closed environment' - but like a bottle, people can still see inside and see the level of your collective stupidity. Great for the reputation - both yours' and the sites'. Keep going fellas!!!

[Imagination]

An interesting fact is that Gaddafi sponsored Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign for president. If it wasn't for Gaddafi, Sarkozy would've been selling sand in the desert. And now he bombs Libya ! "The Jews cry when a Greek is born" - well, Sarkozy has a Greek Jewish heritage - the whole world cries.

Oh yes, and is someone going to do something with Phoenix's instigations or is he going to continue acting like a god ?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Seems stupidity is catching! Keep it up!

Your brand of stupidity is too stupid to be contagious, don't flatter yourself. In case you haven't realised, you're the joke here. Keep smokin'.

[Frank]

US presses NATO to take lead in Libya attacks

TRIPOLI, Libya — The United States turned up pressure on quarreling NATO allies to take command of the air war in Libya on Wednesday, saying U.S. leadership could end as early as this weekend, even with the conflict's outcome in doubt.

NATO failed again on Wednesday to agree on taking over military operations against Moammar Gadhafi's forces in Libya, chiefly because of Turkey's objections, diplomats said.

After ambassadors of the 28-nation alliance ended a third day of wrangling in Brussels without a deal, one senior NATO diplomat said: "No decision on anything."

As the diplomatic maneuvering continued, NATO ships patrolled off Libya's coast and airstrikes, missiles and energized rebels forced Gadhafi's tanks to roll back from two key western cities, including one that was the hometown of army officers who tried to overthrow him in 1993.
Surrounded by tanks, snipers, Libyan hospital is fortress of fear

Gadhafi's compound in Ajdabiyah was subject to air strikes, a day after he addressed supporters there, Arabiya TV reported on Wednesday.

Western powers also attacked civilian and military targets in Jafar, southwest of Tripoli, Libyan state TV said early Thursday.
Story: Boehner presses Obama to define Libya mission

U.S. seeks handoff

U.S. officials said there is no absolute deadline for the United States to hand over front-line control of the military operation to other countries, or for an end to all U.S. participation. The Obama administration is eager to hand off the lead role in a conflict that some of President Barack Obama's closest advisers resisted and that is raising complaints in Congress.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates, an early skeptic of U.S. military intervention in Libya, said Obama made clear from the start of the international air campaign last Saturday that the U.S. military would run it only for about one week. The assault began with a barrage of U.S. cruise missiles, fired by ships and submarines in the Mediterranean, and American Stealth bomber flights, the first war initiated by a president who inherited two others.

In an exchange with reporters traveling with him in Cairo on Wednesday, Gates was asked whether that meant the U.S. had set a hard deadline of this Saturday for turning over command of the air operations.

"I don't want to be pinned down that closely," he replied. "But what we've been saying is that we would expect this transition to the coalition, to a different command and control arrangement, to take place within a few days, and I would still stand by that."

The U.S. and its partners are struggling to overcome a key dilemma of their mission: how to halt Gadhafi's ground forces, which are now attacking urban areas, without endangering the very civilians the allies are supposed to be protecting.

Turkey, the sole Muslim member of NATO, said it did not want NATO to take responsibility for offensive operations that could cause civilian casualties or be in charge of enforcing a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone while coalition aircraft were simultaneously bombing Libyan forces.

Gadhafi's regime has alleged that dozens of civilians have been killed in the international bombardment, but the Pentagon and other coalition officials say no claims of civilian casualties have been independently verified.

"It would be impossible for us to share responsibility in an operation that some authorities have described as a 'crusade'," Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters in Ankara. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has used that term, as has Gadhafi.

Envoys would meet again Thursday to try and nail down rules determining circumstances under which the military alliance can use force, a NATO diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity, since he was not authorized to speak about internal deliberations to reporters.

The United States is one of the few nations with the operational headquarters capable of controlling such a complex mission. None of NATO's European members have that capability and therefore rely on the alliance to provide it.

The Pentagon said that over the past day, the coalition flew 175 air missions, including noncombat flights. Of that total, 113 flights, or about 65 percent, were flown by U.S. planes, and 62 by other nations' aircraft. Three days earlier, the U.S. share was 87 percent, the Pentagon said.

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I have never understood NATO's role today

Now the French and British need to take up their responsibility not run away

What about the useless Hellarse it never contributes to anything tell them to assist

[Onur]

NATO is an outdated concept since the end of cold war and you wonder about the role of Greece?

Mate, who cares about Greeks? Their opinion doesn't worth shit. I saw from the media that coalition forces are actively using Greek Cyprus and Crete as a base for bombing Libya since first minute of the operation. There wasn't even a discussion about that between Greeks and western world. Their jet fighters and cargo planes just came to the Greek territory with bombs and i bet Greeks still doesn't even know what`s going on

Greeks are lucky that Gaddafi forces are not capable of defending themselves. For example, if they use Greek territory again for attacking Iran in the future, then they are in deep shit cuz Iran has the capability of destroying these bases with their missiles or with their jets and even wipe out whole Greece from the map in a day.

[Prolet]

Onur, I watched this episode on Serbian TV they had the Serbian Ambassador to Libya and also a correspondent in Libya who lived and worked there, i actually couldnt believe what they were saying.

They explained how in Libya Students can study anywhere in the world and they are payed 2200 euros per month by the Libyan Government plus they cover their rent expenses and so forth. They say how the citizens in Libya dont pay any bills ie Electricity,Water,Sewerage nothing and the best quality petrol there costs 1 euro for 17 liters. The other guy points out that while he was living there, he didnt recall seeing one beggar on the street.

http://www.rts.rs/page/tv/ci/story/17/%D0%A0%D0%A2%D0%A1+1/860734/%D0%A3%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.html

[Frank]

Libyan War Intervention madness

Sarkozy Threatens Much of Planet With Libya-Style Intervention
Insists Libya Will Be a Model for Future Wars

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/25/sarkozy-threatens-much-of-planet-with-libya-style-intervention/

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

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I will be so angry of those hapless Macedonians send soldiers to Libya do not at any call please

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...eda-links.html

I thought you learned by now, but it looks like I was giving you to much credit. And you should have realized by now that the war is only for the oil and to place another corrupt puppet.

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

"I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

"In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

"In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

"These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

"Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

"Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

Meet "Al Qaeda"

"Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel, who knew the truth about "Al Qaeda" -- Another target of the neo-cons

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291

Watch from 48:46 to 51:15.
YouTube - Zeitgeist Addendum

[Onur]

Sarkozy Threatens Much of Planet With Libya-Style Intervention
Insists Libya Will Be a Model for Future Wars

Anyone remembers the riots in France last year and a year before that? I remember that French police killed teenagers b4. I searched on youtube;

Riot in 2010;
YouTube - Teenagers torch cars in France as riots turn violent


Riot in 2007;
YouTube - French riots continue - 27 Nov 07


If Sarkozy thinks that he can intervene to any country he wants then someone should stand up and remind to Sarkozy that if his police kills people and a riot starts again in France, an international military intervention should happen to France too, in the name of saving people from French police.

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

Gaddafi was saying that since day one. He kept saying that west uses Al-Qaeda to manipulate people in Libya.

[Frank]

What is France trying to do reposition it self as Global Power or a Colonial power, is that their new Doctrine

We live in dangerous times people