Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations

[Bill77]

OMO Ilinden Pirin against Bulgaria-Macedonia treaty

OMO Ilinden Pirin against Bulgaria-Macedonia treaty

In a special declaration the ethnic Macedonian party in Bulgaria OMO Ilinden-Pirin expressed their attitude towards the Bulgarian proposal for a new treaty between Bulgaria and Macedonia.


The Macedonian illegitimate says in a statement, sent to Bulgarian media, it supports the principles of neighborly relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia. Along with that OMO wants a new treaty, immediate recognition of the Macedonian minority. It also sees Bulgaria’s attitude towards Macedonia as extortion and that of momentary advantages.


The statement says: "We express the astonishment and even indignation with regard to certain aspects of the offered new treaty of our government”.

"Attempting to bind Bulgarian support, not only with unprincipled requests, but with circumstances beyond the control of Macedonia is essentially preparation for blocking its membership in the example of Greece and even more unprincipled. Because the Macedonian organizations in Bulgaria are formed by the Macedonian minority living here, not the Macedonian state.

According to OMO Ilinden-Pirin:
"Seeking responsibility of the Republic of Macedonia about the activities of citizens of Bulgaria and to threaten it with veto for EU membership is not only putting a condition impossible to meet, but part of the extortion of the citizens of Bulgaria to quit the fight for their rights. The Bulgarian government should be aware that this will not make the Macedonians in Bulgaria stop fighting for their rights, but may lead to destabilization of the region and worsening relations between the two countries. "

OMO Ilinden-Pirin wants immediate recognition of Macedonian minority.
"Recognition of the Macedonian minority and grant of rights is an obligation under the terms of Bulgaria for EU membership; it is part of the Copenhagen criteria. Instead of trying to communicate with the representatives of this minority, with those Bulgarian citizens and taxpayers through another country, the Government of the Republic of Bulgaria should heed the recommendations of ECRI [Council of Europe's independent human rights monitoring body specialized in combating racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia etc], the EU Commissioner for Human Rights Hammarberg and other European and international institutions and to enter into dialogue with representatives of the Macedonian minority and to stop hate speech against the Macedonians. "

OMO Ilinden-Pirin wants a new treaty between Bulgaria and Macedonia.
We are not against signing such a contract, but with other content.
First, it must include an official declaration that the Republic of Bulgaria recognizes the Macedonian nation, language etc. because it is the denial of these realities is the main factor that poisoning the good neighborly relations.
Secondly, we believe that it is necessary to cement the neighborhood of both parties to be bound by the recognition of the minorities on its territory.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/13228/46/

Bravo Brajke i sestri pirinci da sve zdravi i zivi. Lets see if the gov of ROM ignore this.

[Makemustara]

Bloody disgusting

It really is bloody disgusting to deprive a mother from her child.
An unemployed father could not win this case many countries, unless the mother is insane, alcoholic, etc... I wish the little girl only the best-she is the only victim here.
This should not be a political issue.
And yes, Borisov should stop taking pictures with Spaska but take a different view, Prolet. It is a matter of principles for every country to support their citizens, be it abroad.
Regards!

[Soldier of Macedon]

Are you a Bulgar?

Borisov can take as much photo's with Spaska he likes, that isn't the issue. These idiots have politicised a private family affair (of which you lack sufficient detail) and turned it into an anti-Macedonian campaign. That is disgusting.

Your Spaska became a citizen recently, do chera vo Makedonija beshe, tsela rabota se vrshi samo za politika, spasi gi solzite za nekoi sho ima vreme da te trpi.

[Prolet]

Excellent Said SOM

Bulgarian Extremist Jane Janev even called for war against Macedonia, Spaska Mitrova has done alot of harm to our country.

Like what Spaska's former Husband said, She's as Bulgarian as he is a Crnec.

[Makemustara]

Are you a Bulgar?

If it is a synonym to Bulgarian, yes.

These idiots have politicised a private family affair

No contradiction with me.

turned it into an anti-Macedonian campaign. That is disgusting.

As Bulgaria was the first country to recognize Macedonian independence and did some gestures of goodwill, (where did those 150 or so tanks go ) I think you should consider the tiny possibility that Bulgaria is not the one and only initiator of that...campaign.
And you must admit that the anti-campaign is way heavier on the western side of the border.

Bulgarian Extremist Jane Janev even called for war against Macedonia

Jane Janev is an IDIOT, a PUPPET, but not an extremist. And i will be grateful to see the source citing his "call to arms", because I remember nothing like that in Bulgarian or any other media. Anyway, such a war is impossible.
And I do believe you that Spaska is just using the "benefits" of a BG passport. And still, legally speaking, the case wouldn't have developed in such a way in the UK e.g. (remember the conspiracy for kidnapping Blair's child?).
If we stop looking at the passports our opinions will probably match.

[makedonin]

As Bulgaria was the first country to recognize Macedonian independence and did some gestures of goodwill

What does that have to do with the Spaskas case?

Some "guestures" ?

What gestures?

Guestures like constant provoking and denieing the Macedonian identity? Guestures like prosecuting the Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria? Guestures of Party members calling out for War? Guestures of sending some so called Scholars like Dimitrov to preach in Macedonia! Guestures such as sending some people over in to the border to bow before Statue!?


When Macedonians say something about the prosecution of Macedonins in Bulgaria, we only get slap like "Don't interfere in Bulgarias intern afairs", and than again Bulgaria is allowing it self the curtesy of interfering into Macedonian Intern afairs for example some new baptized Bulgarian like Spaska!

The word for that is Hypocrits, that is what you all are!

(where did those 150 or so tanks go)

you mean disfunctional scrap metal meant only for show off before the EU public?

[Prolet]

hahahahaha

Those 150 Tanks had to be either given away or melted, this was just before Bulgaria joined NATO. Then we were forced to give those tanks away and we gave them to Georgia. Its hardly a gift at all really.

Bulgaria was the first country to recognize us, this is true however at that time they thought they are recognizing a second Bulgarian state which is not what it turned out to be. Bulgaria doesnt recognize our nationality,language,history,church and you want us to be grateful? Thats ridiculous

Tell us about OMO Ilinden Pirin members being constantly hounded and harassed by the Bulgarian Police? What about Krassimir Karakachanov and Bozhidar Dimitrov the two biggest anti-Macedonians openly stating that there is no such thing as a Macedonian minority in Bulgaria? As for Jane Janev we saw what happened its all there on the video and the people heavily applauded him.

[Makemustara]

Now we get to some of the reasons behind the “flirt” between Mitrova and Bulgarian politicians, although I don’t think they are the most important. History and language-they are the roots of most conflicts on the Balkans, am I not right. That’s why Dimitrov and Karakachanov can't stop playing. They believe in their truth just like you believe in yours. Their persistency, however, is derived from the actions of the Serbian army and secret police over the Bulgarians in Macedonia whose children and grandchildren can often be met in modern Bulgarian and Macedonia.Lets not forget to pay tribute to the great builders of socialism, too. There is no ground for comparison with OMO Ilinden members. Funny thing, now I remembered the money the Turkish government should pay me for my stolen estates in Thrace. But I am not aiming for a historical discussion at the moment.
Tell me that you truly believe the girl should be taken away from her mother and I will just end the discussion.
PS: Damn, those Bulgarian tanks!!! Couldn’t stop the Russians…

[fyrOM]

The Balkans have so many issues people easily drag in other issues even when the bonds between them are too loose and have no real justification or are overstepping their value.

Mitrova may have become a Bulgarian citizen. Whether she always thought she was or felt Bulgarian even if both her parents are not is irrelevant to the issues of her getting married having a child and then getting divorced and fighting a custody battle in Macedonia. Likewise her relatively recent acquisition of Bulgarian citizenship is next to irrelevant. It is always the case that any person is obliged to follow the law of any country they choose to live in or visit.

If a person breaks the law while in another country other than the one they hold citizenship in that country has legal jurisdiction even when laws in your own country may not treat your act as illegal it does not mean you can claim the act is legal to you regardless of the country you are in. I say her now Bulgarian citizenship is next to irrelevant because all it affords her is Bulgarian consular visits and any consular assistance Bulgaria chooses to offer their citizens without infringing on the laws of the land in this case Macedonia. Bulgaria needs to be reminded that just because they are dealing with Macedonia does not mean they have any more rights than dealing with any other country where their citizens reside.

[Makemustara]

To be honest, I think the political pressure will be neglectful only if the case goes to the Hague. Why it isn't already there is a question I cannot answer.
But as a whole I agree with you, OziMak.

[Prolet]

Mustara, Nobody has a problem with the Bulgarians, if they can accept us as a different country we would get along much better. Karakachanov and Dimitrov believe that our country was invented in 1945, do you agree with them?

They accusing as of being a Serb run state, its simply ridiculous.

[Daskalot]

Now we get to some of the reasons behind the “flirt” between Mitrova and Bulgarian politicians, although I don’t think they are the most important. History and language-they are the roots of most conflicts on the Balkans, am I not right. That’s why Dimitrov and Karakachanov can't stop playing. They believe in their truth just like you believe in yours. Their persistency, however, is derived from the actions of the Serbian army and secret police over the Bulgarians in Macedonia whose children and grandchildren can often be met in modern Bulgarian and Macedonia.Lets not forget to pay tribute to the great builders of socialism, too. There is no ground for comparison with OMO Ilinden members. Funny thing, now I remembered the money the Turkish government should pay me for my stolen estates in Thrace. But I am not aiming for a historical discussion at the moment.
Tell me that you truly believe the girl should be taken away from her mother and I will just end the discussion.
PS: Damn, those Bulgarian tanks!!! Couldn’t stop the Russians…

I sense that you will not be aiming for anything at all very soon. Keep neglecting our Macedonian ethnos and I will be the first to boot you out of here.
Sichko v'red B'lgar4e?

[Makemustara]

I sense that you will not be aiming for anything at all very soon. Keep neglecting our Macedonian ethnos and I will be the first to boot you out of here.
Sichko v'red B'lgar4e?

You won't have to, Daskale. I don't want to disrupt your inner peace And I rarely eat Macedonian children for breakfast. Strangely, I understand your reaction, but still cannot accept your arguments.
You know, I'm unsure if they still do, but my hystory books at primary school said that Bulgaria was the first worldwide to use avio-bombardment, at the battle af Odrin. However, a not very detailed research showed me that an Italian guy pioneered it in North Afrika a couple of years earlier.
So the question is:Can you accustom a critical approach to Macedonian books, too?
Now I release you from my unwanted presence. Good night.
No bad feelings from me.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Mate, take your Bulgarocentric diplomacy where it will have a complimentary audience, you won't find many morons here willing to entertain your 'version' of events. You Bulgars are cultural and historical thieves, who, without Macedonia, have virtually nothing, nothing but that small piece in Moesia where your Turkic grandfather's settled in the late 600's.

Before you come here trying to question our truth, how about you explain the relation between yourselves and those horse-riding ancestors of yours.

[I of Macedon]

WTF - Ohrid to be administratively shifted???

Macedonia: Ohrid requires to be administratively governed, controlled from Sofia


Ohrid. Ohrid should be administratively governed and controlled from Sofia, since the local government finds no understanding from the central authorities in Macedonia, mayor of Ohrid Aco Petreski told FOCUS News Agency.

“I once referred to Bulgaria for help when the level of the water in the Ohrid Lake was increasing and the town was endangered by floods, but instead of receiving understanding and support from the government in Skopje, I met with criticism and accusations. That is why it would be better for Ohrid to be administratively governed and controlled from Sofia,” Petreski said.

The mayor of Ohrid added he was about to address Bulgarian Prime Minister General Boyko Borisov not only over the risks of flood.
“General Borisov shows willingness and decisiveness, which is often missing in Macedonia,” the mayor remarked.

“Only two interviews for Bulgarian media were enough and the Macedonian media had to turn their eyes on the problems and fears of Ohrid citizens. Macedonian ministers wouldn’t have come to Ohrid, if I had not said that I will wait for help from a neighboring country, which respects the antiquity and cultural heritage of Ohrid, since Skopje does not help and pay attention to us,” Aco Petreski commented.
The mayor of Ohrid reminded that a day after the publications that Sofia may provide help, the Macedonian Vecer newspaper, which is close to the government, published mocking collage, telling about a waterfall in the Ohrid Lake that has been built with the assistance of Sofia.

“Since they are laughing at us and bring accusations when we are taking case of town’s rescuing, it would be better for Ohrid to be administratively shifted within Sofia’s authorities, to pay taxes to Sofia and be sure that someone is taking care of us,” the mayor of Ohrid said.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n215065