Macedonia and Bulgaria: Political Relations

[Jankovska]

Jankovska, What about those who go and marry the Umproforci? I will tell you this about German Citizenship. If you are living in Germany for a long time, you pay your taxes, you are a good citizen and you choose to get German Citizenship its not good but its understandable. Rupert Murdoch gave up his Aussie Passport for an American one..

The problem lies when a citizen of Macedonia who has nothing to do with a country, goes to their embassy and signs a document declaring away their citizenship. Its ok if somebody lived in Bulgaria for a long time and took out citizenship by law.

it's not ok because it can be done and in Germany it can't. Even more to prove my point, these people don't take the Bulgarian passports because theywant to be Bulgarian and want to live there, they take them to go to the EU and work there to send money home. When a German person decides to stay and live in Germany they give up their citizenship they do it because they want to stay there, which one is worse? A tiny tiny number of all these Macedonians are living or going to live in Bulgaria. i don't like double standards, that;s all I am saying. You cannot judge some and not the others. For example I don't judge anyone with different passports, to me as long as they are good Macedonians who go back home, who spend their money, who will fight for the country if the have to, I don't care what their passport says.
Choosing Germany or bulgaria should not be different, in the end it's still choosing a different country over Macedonia. So we are all either traitors or we are just somwhere different because life made us?

[Prolet]

Government Authorities holding back against Bulgarian attacks

Bulgarian MEP Evgenij Kirilov labeled Macedonia a fake country that was invented after WW2, a Bulgarian Documentary was made called Corridor No. 8 which portrays our country in a negative way and also we where called FYROM from a so called proud nation that was the first to recognize us.

Why is our government holding back on these people??

Here is more info on the documentary

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1188710/

YouTube - Boris Despodov's "Corridor # 8" Trailer

ЕВРОПРАТЕНИЦИ ЈА НАРЕКОА МАКЕДОНИЈА „ВЕШТАЧКА ТВОРБА“
Власта отрпнала на бугарските навреди

Тони Ангеловски

Ниту една македонска институција, па ни МНР на кое тоа му е работа, не упати некаква реакција или демарш по најновата серија тешки навреди за Македонија и за Македонците упатени од бугарскиот пратеник на Европскиот парламент на завчерашната дебата во Брисел за извештајот за Македонија.
Бугарскиот пратеник во ЕП Евгениј Кирилов во дискусијата при разгледувањето на извештајот за напредокот на Македонија ја нарече македонската нација „вештачка творба од Втората светска војна“, а Македонците ги оквалификува како ксенофобична нација, притоа именувајќи ја Македонија како ПЈРМ. Покрај тоа, деновиве на еден од најголемите светски канали „ХБО“ се емитува документарен филм „Коридор 8“, во бугарска продукција, во кој Македонија е претставена во крајно негативно светло, прикажувајќи ја како „бугарска провинција под отоманска окупација“. За да биде парадоксот поголем, токму бугарскиот премиер Бојко Борисов неодамна ги обвини Македонија и македонските медиуми за непријателска кампања кон Бугарија и побара двата народа да се воздржат од говорот на омраза.
Македонското МНР на никаков начин не реагира на навредите на националното достоинство.
- Изјавите од тој тип не заслужуваат коментар. Не му е првпат на Кирилов. Не планираме никаква реакција - вели Петар Чулев, портпарол на МНР.
Според стручњаците, несфатливо е како МНР може да си дозволи луксуз да не реагира на такви провокации.
- Кирилов е претставник на Социјалистичката партија, од каде што е и претседателот Прванов. Министерството за надворешни работи мора да реагира на сите вакви настани и да ја објасни нашата ситуација. Ова е настап на официјален претставник на Бугарија во Европскиот парламент. Тој не е приватно лице, туку претставник на држава. Не велам дека треба да ги замрзнеме односите, но мора да се реагира на соодветен начин. Тоа е неевропско однесување од страна на Кирилов и не смее да се премолчи - вели Стево Пендаровски, професор на „Американ колеџ“ во Скопје.
Според него, несфатливо е како нашата дипломатија реагира таму каде што не треба, а таму каде што треба да реагира, никаде ја нема.
И според Лазар Лазаров, професор на Универзитетот ФОН, неразбирливо е зошто македонската страна молчи на провокациите од бугарска страна.
- Симптоматично е што бугарската страна се јавува токму во вистинско време, кога се интензивираат преговорите со Грција. Бугарија секогаш прискокнува за да придобие нешто со тоа што ќе докаже дека Македонија е некооперативна. Но, вината е кај македонската страна дава интервју на бугарски јазик? Тоа не се прави така. Едноставно, треба да и се даде до знаење на Бугарија да си ја гледа работата и да не се плетка каде што не и е работа - објаснува Лазаров.

http://www.vreme.com.mk/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=0&tabid=1&EditionID=1942&ArticleID=133753

[fyrOM]

Politics dammed politics. The dusmani who have worked for centuries to annihilate us can never be trusted even if they were first to recognise us politics dammed politics. Motives within motives within motives. The bum chum club that partitioned us in 1913 still talk to each other despite sending their armies against each other in the past.

They know Greece will never allow us to get in as Macedonia.
We will struggle for our existence and our identity.
If the Albanians can be encourage to blow up like they once did but this time over getting into the eu and perceived prosperity who do you will be the first to offer to help. Wow the room just moved and I had a sense of dejaeview Someone offering to help the Macedonians around the start of the 20th century.

[Jankovska]

Our gov is holding back alot if not most of the time. I have to say this is not what they promised before being elected and everyone should remember that.

[Bratot]

Why is our government holding back on these people??

This is one of the reasons, why :

http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/adc4dZ

Enjoy "our" political masterpiece!

[Prolet]

Bratot, Its in Bulgarian is this something to do with Ljubco??

It seems like Bulgaria is off limits when it comes to political pressure, Ivan Gargavelov from Omo Ilinden Pirin even said that Boris Trajkovski signed a document denying our minority in Pirinska Makedonija.

[Bill77]

"Macedonia states that nothing in its Constitution can not and should not be construed as constituting or ever will a basis for interference in the internal Affairs of the Republic of Bulgaria in order to protect the status and rights of persons who are not citizens of the Republic of Macedonia"


is This what you mean Prolet

[Bill77]

Like all other declerations, only Macedonia abide by it while the wolves next door, can do as they please.

[Bill77]

Here is that Decleration Google translated Prolet.


Joint Declaration of 1999

JOINT DEKLAPATSIYA

Prime Minister of the Republic of Bulgaria

and Chairman of the Government of the Republic of Macedonia

Prime npedcedatelyat of Bulgaria and President of the Government of the Republic of Macedonia

Starting from a general desire to develop neighborly relations between two countries

Deeply convinced of the need to develop cooperation based on mutual respect, trust, understanding, good neighborliness and mutual respect of interests their countries and peoples

Convinced of the need to strengthen security and peace, cooperation and trust in Southeast Europe

Inspired by the aspirations of both countries for integration into European and Euro-Atlantic structures

Believing that constructive dialogue on all aspects of bilateral relations and on regional and international issues will contribute to further development of the relations of two countries on an equal basis

Respecting the principles of the UN Charter and documents OSCE and the democratic principles enshrined in acts of COBE of Europe

1. Expressed their willingness and desire for common development comprehensive relations between the Republic of Bulgaria and Macedonia. These relations will be developed in accordance with fundamental principles of international law.

2. The two sides will cooperate in the United Nations, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Council of Europe initiative NATO's Partnership for Peace in the Multinational Peace Force Southeast Europe and other international organizations and fora.

3. Both sides will promote the development of cooperation between the countries of Southeast Europe to strengthening of understanding, peace and stability in the region and implementation of regional projects as part of process of establishing a united Europe.

4. Both sides will maintain contacts and conduct meetings between representatives of public authorities at different levels of development of friendly relations and cooperation. They will assist in maintaining contact between NGOs and citizens of both countries.

5. Given their geographical proximity, the two sides will strive to create the necessary legal, economic, financial and commercial conditions to ensure the smooth movement of goods, services and capital. They will promote mutual investment and will ensure their protection.

6. Both parties will support the expansion of tourism exchange and development of appropriate forms of cooperation in tourism.

7. The two sides will expand and improve transport links and communications between them, including rakmite regional infrastructure projects. They will seek to facilitate customs and border formalities for passengers and goods to be move between them.

8. Both sides will promote active and smooth cooperation in culture, Education, Health, Welfare and Sport.

9. Both parties will endeavor to free dissemination of information by encouraging and developing cooperation of the press, radio and television shows using modern means of communication. They are committed to protect copyrights and intellectual rights of artists from both sides.

10. The two sides will expand their cooperation in legal and consular field and in particular civil criminal and administrative matters and to facilitate trips and visits by its citizens, and for deciding their humanitarian and social problems.

11. Both sides will take, and encourage support actions aimed against other countries that have hostile nature.

Neither party will allow its territory be used against other organizations and groups aimed at carrying out subversive, separatist or threatening peace and security on the other side action.

Both sides have sued and no territorial claims against each other.

Macedonia states that nothing in its Constitution can not and should not be construed as constituting or ever will a basis for interference in the internal Affairs of the Republic of Bulgaria in order to protect the status and rights of persons who are not citizens of the Republic of Macedonia.

Both sides will take effective measures to prevent nedobronamerena propaganda by institutions and agencies and will allow the activities of private actors aimed at incitement to violence or hatred similar actions that would damage relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Signed in Sofia on 22.02.1999, in two original copies, each of which the official languages of both countries - Bulgarian language, according to the Constitution of the Republic of Bulgaria and Macedonian language, according to the Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia both texts being equally authentic.

REPUBLIC OF BULGARIA: REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA:
IVAN KOSTOV Ljupco Georgievski Prime Minister Prime Minister

[Prolet]

Macedonia states that nothing in its Constitution can not and should not be construed as constituting or ever will a basis for interference in the internal Affairs of the Republic of Bulgaria in order to protect the status and rights of persons who are not citizens of the Republic of Macedonia. Both sides will take effective measures to prevent nedobronamerena propaganda by institutions and agencies and will allow the activities of private actors aimed at incitement to violence or hatred similar actions that would damage relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia.

Well the Bulgarian side already broke this, they've not only politically interfered in our affairs they've taken a step further to stab us in the back.

Its a piece of paper nothing more, you cant trust a snake like Bulgaria we've seen it too many times before.

[makedonin]

It appears to me that our government is overstrain, if I can express it like that.

sad but true. they are just getting richer and do nothing. no real choice for whome to vote today.

[Jankovska]

It appears to me that our government is overstrain, if I can express it like that.

sad but true. they are just getting richer and do nothing. no real choice for whome to vote today.

I agree with that complitley

[Prolet]

Bojko Borisov continues to blackmail Macedonia

Bloody disgusting, he met up with Spaska Mitrova. She lost custody of her kid so now Bulgaria is pushing for EU intervention.

http://www.ereporter.com.mk/mk-mk/Details.aspx?Title=6100

[I of Macedon]

OMO Ilinden-Pirin expression of Bulgarian proposal

OMO Ilinden-Pirin joins the campaign against the Bulgarian proposal to Macedonia

18 March 2010

Sofia. In a special declaration the unregistered organization OMO Ilinden-Pirin express their attitude towards the Bulgarian proposal for a new treaty between Bulgaria and Macedonia.

The Macedonian illegitimate organization says in a statement, sent to FOCUS News Agency, it supports the principles of neighborly relations between Bulgaria and Macedonia. Along with that OMO wants a new contract, immediate recognition of the Macedonian minority and determines Bulgaria’s attitude towards Macedonia as extortion and the usage of momentary advantages.

The statement says: "We express the astonishment and even indignation with regard to certain aspects of the offered new treaty of our government”.

And more:
"Attempting to bind Bulgarian support, not only with unprincipled requests, but with circumstances beyond the control of Macedonia is essentially preparation for blocking its membership in the example of Greece and even more unprincipled. Because the Macedonian organizations in Bulgaria are formed by the Macedonian minority living here, not the Macedonian state.

According to OMO Ilinden-Pirin:
"Seeking responsibility of the Republic of Macedonia about the activities of citizens of Bulgaria and to threaten it with veto for EU membership is not only putting a condition impossible to meet, but part of the extortion of the citizens of Bulgaria to quit of their fight for rights. The Bulgarian government should be aware that this will make the Macedonians in Bulgaria to stop fighting for their rights, but may lead to destabilization of the region and worsening relations between the two countries. "

OMO Ilinden-Pirin wants immediate recognition of Macedonian minority
"Recognition of the Macedonian minority and grant of rights is an obligation under the terms of Bulgaria for EU membership; it is part of the Copenhagen criteria. Instead of trying to communicate with the representatives of this minority, with those Bulgarian citizens and taxpayers through another country, the Government of the Republic of Bulgaria should heed the recommendations of ECRI [Council of Europe's independent human rights monitoring body specialized in combating racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia etc], the EU Commissioner for Human Rights Hammarberg and other European and international institutions and to enter into dialogue with representatives of the Macedonian minority and to stop hate speech against the Macedonians. "

OMO Ilinden-Pirin wants a new treaty between Bulgaria and Macedonia
We are not against signing such a contract, but with other content.
First, it must include an official declaration that the Republic of Bulgaria recognizes the Macedonian nation, language etc. because it is the denial of these realities is the main factor that poisoning the good neighborly relations.

Secondly, we believe that it is necessary to cement the neighborhood of both parties to be bound by the recognition of the minorities on its territory.

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n213535

[Prolet]

They are right

Here is the video version of it, its another trojan horse they've thrown at us.

http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/video-player.asp?Video=10%2Fgorazd%2Domo%2D18%2D03%2Ewmv&VestID=121112