Financial Crisis in Greece

[Bill77]

Now Czechs Won't give Money to Greece


The Czech government will not participate in a EU program to help Greece in its economic problems, Premier Petr Necas told Austrian newspaper Kurier in an interview, without offering greater explanation.

The Czechs remain "responsible" members of the European Union, believe in budget "discipline" and are in favour of expansion, Necas said in the interview.

Necas described himself as a "Eurorealist" and said his country had lost prestige when its government collapsed during its presidency of the EU in 2009, Kurier reported.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16328/46/

[Bratot]

[George S.]

Well if those revolts weren't enough i reckon it will be much worse.As reality bites home.I spoke to some germans wwho are in os & they said the huge debt that greece has created will topple the eu & macedonia won't have to worry to join it.The ordinary germans are pissed off big time that they are supporting countries in debt like greece.

[fyrOM]

Now Czechs Won't give Money to Greece

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16328/1/

Wednesday, 25 August 2010
The Czech government will not participate in a EU program to help Greece in its economic problems, Premier Petr Necas told Austrian newspaper Kurier in an interview, without offering greater explanation.

The Czechs remain "responsible" members of the European Union, believe in budget "discipline" and are in favour of expansion, Necas said in the interview.

Necas described himself as a "Eurorealist" and said his country had lost prestige when its government collapsed during its presidency of the EU in 2009, Kurier reported.

[Onur]

Looks like the corruption in Greece reached new level. I bet German taxpayers will enrage when they read this to learn how their money has been spent by Greeks;

Greece paid pensions to the dead

Greece has discovered that it has been paying pensions to people who have passed away - in one case, more than a decade ago.

As part of efforts to cut spending and tackle waste, Greece discovered that 321 of the people over 100 years old to whom it pays pensions had died.

The country's Deputy Labour Minister, George Koutroumanis, described the discovery as "incredible".

He said they were now reviewing the circumstances of people under 100.

Mr Koutroumanis decribed the situation as a "Third World phenomenon" that could not be allowed to continue "in a country that wants to be called a European country".


Reform pressure
With help from the police, the government discovered money that had been paid into the bank accounts of the deceased.

Although the number is small, it is a significant proportion of the number of people over 100 in Greece. It is also an issue that senior ministers are taking very seriously, as they say it indicates the inefficiency of the country's benefits system.

A national register of pensioners is to be set up along with a more centralised payments system, the deputy labour minister said.

Greece is going through a period of economic upheaval, as it cuts spending and tries to increase tax revenue in order to trim its large budget deficit.

Earlier this year, crisis-hit Greece agreed massive budget cuts in return for a 110bn-euro ($146.2bn; £95bn) loan package from the eurozone and the IMF.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11096512

[Prolet]

Onur, Sometimes dead people can vote in elections too

[fyrOM]

It might seem like a dumb question but if for some reason Egej was allowed to vote to stay within Greece or join a RoM who was in the process of joining or already joined in the EU what are the proportions of ethnicities there and how would they likely vote and hence would a referendum carry.

[Bill77]

Onur, Sometimes dead people can vote in elections too

It seems only if you are Albanian Dead people can vote or recieve a pension.

So these Dead Greeks receiving pensions makes plenty of sense.

[thessalo-niki]

It might seem like a dumb question but if for some reason Egej was allowed to vote to stay within Greece or join a RoM who was in the process of joining or already joined in the EU what are the proportions of ethnicities there and how would they likely vote and hence would a referendum carry.

Maybe this thread can help (I'm not implying Rainbow Party would share such an idea)

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=64090#post64090

By the way, next local elections are in two months from now.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[fyrOM]

Poll: European Support for EU Falls to All Time Low

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16338/1/

Friday, 27 August 2010
Popular support for European Union membership has fallen to a nine-year low within the 27 countries in the bloc, a poll showed on Thursday.

The yearly Eurobarometer survey was carried out in May when the EU was hit by sovereign-debt problems and when some member states were in recession.

According to the poll, conducted by the TNS Opinion and Social research group for the European Commission, support for EU membership fell to 49 percent, down 4 percentage points, and highlighted fears that the economy will deteriorate further.

The poll asked an average 1,000 people in each member state whether membership of the EU was a good thing, a bad thing or neither good nor bad for their country. Those voting for 'bad' rose to 18 percent from 15 percent last year.

In Germany, the EU's biggest economy and traditionally pro-EU, support for the bloc fell 10 points to 50 percent. Many Germans have opposed EU-led bailouts for euro zone countries.

Some analysts and politicians have said EU institutions and governments were too slow to react to the worst economic crisis in decades and especially to Greek debt problems, which have threatened to undermine the euro.

In Greece, support for the EU fell 17 points to 44 percent. The bailout for Greece, offered by the EU and the International Monetary Fund, came with strict austerity measures.

Trust in EU institutions fell to 42 percent from 48 percent, but it was still higher than confidence in national parliaments, which came in at 31 percent, down from 30 percent last year.

On the general economic situation, the percentage of those who believe the worst was to come increased by one point to 55 percent, while 37 believed the crisis had reached its peak.

[Mikail]

The worst is still yet to come for Greek citizens. Taxes increase by the month and with the oncoming winter, many businesses will be closing never to be reopened.

I would even g so far as saying, it wouldn't surprise me if we start to see certain segments of Greek citizens voting to break away from Greece and control by Athens.

Several Islands in the Aegean have the power and constitution to follow such a route.

[thessalo-niki]

The worst is still yet to come for Greek citizens. Taxes increase by the month and with the oncoming winter, many businesses will be closing never to be reopened.
I would even g so far as saying, it wouldn't surprise me if we start to see certain segments of Greek citizens voting to break away from Greece and control by Athens.

I've heard of Italian separatist politicians, Belgian or Spanish. Have you ever heard of a Greek one?

Several Islands in the Aegean have the power and constitution to follow such a route.

Well, no they don't. But if these delusions make you happy...
...poof...we exploded.
Again... Local elections (including Macedonia) are in two months from now. Truth hurts and election results hurt.
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Onur]

I would even g so far as saying, it wouldn't surprise me if we start to see certain segments of Greek citizens voting to break away from Greece and control by Athens.

Several Islands in the Aegean have the power and constitution to follow such a route.

Nope, this is not possible because if such a condition arises, then Turkish people buys all the islands. No one in EU prefers something like that, so it`s not possible.

Again... Local elections (including Macedonia) are in two months from now. Truth hurts and election results hurt.

Is this municipal elections for the provinces?

[Mikail]

Well Thesso, it was not so long ago Neos Kozmos here in Australia wrote about an Islands willness to break away from Greece if Greece did not improve its hospitals, roads etc... and that under its constitution it can break as Greece is only hold the title of Administrator.

So...... poof........ get ready for a backlash in your local elections

[George S.]

a lot of islands resent the meddling by mainland greece.They have been neglected on many issues & are waiting to explode.