Financial Crisis in Greece

[Sportster]

there is a you tube clip on the aegean Macedonians, a very sad one on this forum, I posted it so have a look for it - you will see the planes flying over with their yankee /grease shit flying over innocent villages and destroying them.
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you see people this is exactly what I was talking about. RMK made that videoclip I have posted the link about, using images of vietkong vilages bombed by supersonic airplanes (in 1946??) used as footage for the movie Platoon and this poor girl actually believes that is a true, in color, with supersonic planes and vitkong huts Macedonian village bombed by greeks somewhere near Meliti. this is sad and alarming.

[Mastika]

Sporster in 1949 the village of Babcor in the Kostur region of Macedonia (in Greek is it Pomeniko) was annihilated by American Bombs. The incendary bombs destroyed the village and the subsequent fire razed the village to the ground. I don't know if napalm specifically was used, but, this village full of women and children was obliterated. Here is a video showing the devestation caused to the humble villagers. What a tradgedy, and you wonder why people habour ill feelings towards Greeks.

YouTube - с. Бапчор - Костур - Егејска Македонија

There is an equally sad video on youtube of a Macedonian woman from Solun who had her eyes taken out because she refused to become Greek. Maybe somebody else has watched it to and can remember the name, I couldn't find the link. I think that everyone could learn a lot (especially Sportster) by watching that video.

[julie]

perhaps if your mother/sister/yaya were to be raped and someone would ask you for them to show proof you would shut up
am tired of you, and no I dont like you, not into fishnet draq queen sportster riding monkey asses

[Sportster]

Mastika this video is not in a language I can understand so I have to take your word for it. Im sure dozens of villages where bombarded by Americans in their war against Communism, it is a war that countries of the eastern block lost and countries of the Western block won. Thats a bit different version from the "Greek airforce bombarded and destroyed with napalm macedonian villages"..I would call that historical manipulation.
I have seen the video with the blind lady, heartbraking a sad story of human tragedy, however this has nothing to do with napalms and macedonian women and children been burned.

[Sportster]

perhaps if your mother/sister/yaya were to be raped and someone would ask you for them to show proof you would shut up
am tired of you, and no I dont like you, not into fishnet draq queen sportster riding monkey asses

If someone had done that to my mother/sister/yaya, I would have spend every day of my life killing them and revenging their blood. I would have fought and fought for the rights of my people and the freedom of my nation. I would have not rested and I would have not payed any attention to my life. I would have fought and died. I would not be on the net nor I will cry to the world about the injustcices made on me. I would have fought!!! bad thats me not you.

[julie]

tsk tsk tsk, such hatred
mmmmmmm

where is that hatred coming from.......

It hurts doesnt it, hurts when it becomes personal and you are insulting to my beautiful Macedonian people.

You are not here to learn anything, but denigrate us and we owe you know proof

karma

and greece is going down......

karma

one day you will know the pain, not even half of it

why dont you get your fishnets on, and jump on your chickie bike and just scoot on out of this forum

piss off, I cant stand you, you insult my Greek friends with your bad shit

[Sportster]

karma

and greece is going down......

karma

actually I have "bad" news for you..the champagne has to wait a bit. Greek Stock exchange just recorded a 10% jump (thats huuuge) and all money speculators against the SPREADS just lost their fortunes, French banks and financial intitutions are skyrocketing and the Euro is going up....hot news off the press as we speak...so Im afraid the "Greek show" is over!!
talk to you tommorow, I signing off now.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Names? Perhaps you'd also like their addresses too? The fact that you have been shown several examples of proof isn't enough, you now need to go into the specifics of actual victims' names, you sick fool.

Dont threaten me, you want to ban me go ahead and do it, threats are for the weak. Why is it offencive when I use the "your beliefs", do you deny that there are other Macedonians like you that dont share the same ideals?

I will ban you the second I think you have gone overboard, that's not a threat, it's a fact. Those that don't share the same 'ideals' as me but are Macedonian by ethno-linguistic origin, are starting to realise their heritage much more in this age of information, a process that continues to unfold today. I notice, as a consequence of what I wrote earlier, that you weren't as stupid with the wording in your subsequent post, keep adhering to my advice.

unite the Albanians, the Bulgarifils and the Serbomans. Be nice!!

Give me a break. Your first president and nearly all of your heroes in the war of independence are Albanians. Nobody in Greece seems to know this. Go and reconcile those facts before you begin to compare the complexities of your largely hodge-podge nation with mine.

actually I have "bad" news for you..the champagne has to wait a bit. Greek Stock exchange just recorded a 10% jump (thats huuuge) and all money speculators against the SPREADS just lost their fortunes, French banks and financial intitutions are skyrocketing and the Euro is going up....hot news off the press as we speak...so Im afraid the "Greek show" is over!!

Who cares about these fanciful optimisms? The fact is, Greece is a social disgrace and economic embarrassment for her life-support sponsors, Europe and America. Don't you get it? A disgrace. Yet here you are, with the demeanour of a juvenile on some heavy type of narcotics, harping on like Greece has won some 'great victory'.

[Onur]

What Im asking is a simple name, a simple location, a simple record, a photograph, a newspaper clip with specifics...anything apsolutely anything that can prove that a woman, a child, a civilian, a vilage a house was napalmed and burned. please Im in need to learn, maybe you are right and the Greek state has hidden this from me. I have heard the napalm story I simply need to see some proof that it was used against civilians and more specificaly something that substanciate the story you tell that "Macedonian villages, and people were napalmed by the Greek army" I mean tha is serious accusasions please tellme.

While you keep asking a proof from them, educate yourself from few brave and honest Greek sources who can admit the Greek crimes of 1920s and 1974 against humanity. Then you might have an estimation for what your kinsmen have done against Macedonians at 1940s;


http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=46215#post46215

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=46047#post46047

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=47836#post47836

[Spartan]

Onur,
Are you sure those are the right links?
I clicked on them, and they provide nothing about what Sportster is asking.
If ive missed it, I sincerely apologise.

[Risto the Great]

Spartan, Onur was merely pointing out the capability of the Greeks. He provided examples and suggested it would not be a stretch to imagine similar horrors employed against the Macedonians in the 1940's.

Sportster, where exactly will I find proof from the 1940's regarding the use of napalm in Greece? Would the USA have some newsreels? How about the Greek government? The USA did all it could to wipe out those nasty commies. My family had its fair share of "commies" .... they did not believe for one minute in socialism or communism ... only Macedonia. I find your attitude to the napalm aspect ridiculous. Its usage was well documented. For anyone to admit to losing family members from the use of napalm, means their family members were "commies" and still bear the stigma of that in Greece. Do you deny this?

Maybe the napalm was just used to light little fires for the humanitarian greek soldiers so they could light their cigars.

Remember, the war was lost if there was no help from the USA. Don't deny anything .... just be thankful to them, show gratitude and pander to their interests ... just like your leader does.

Many of your proud internet friends are so proud of the napalm attacks. I could just imagine if the Greeks were left to use it themselves. They would have had cigarettes hanging out of their mouths as they went into the munitions shed. What a shame the Greek government could not do anything for themselves. At least they are consistent, they still can't.

I find your attitude offensive Sportster. Your overall agenda is as follows:

- Dismiss historical atrocities telling us all that it is time to move on, without acknowledging them.
- Tell us how similar we all are.
- Convince us that Greeks are "nice" and that deep down they like Macedonians.
- Greeks cannot call us Macedonians.
- Tell us that Macedonia needs to understand that Greece is the only real useful ally it can possibly have.
- Hate everything about Greece's leaders but defend their actions entirely.

All normal stuff from a Greek internet warrior.

[Sportster]

You can find the evidence of such attrocities like "Greek napalm on Macedonian villages, killing women and children" in many many places, same places as I can find specific murders of Greek civilians with names, dates, villages etc commited by Bulgarians, Nazi and their allies IF it is true. If you wish you can start a thread and invite all your fellow posters to post evidence of such nature and I will do the same then we will see.
The whole free world celebrates and thanks the victorious efforts of countries like America (who I personaly dislike today) that avoided the rotten curse of communism taking over their country. Today we know exactly hpw correct that was after seen what it did to so many Nations.
Now, napalms used against Communist possitions in mountenous Greece is one thing and twisting the whole story as to present it to the world as a specific crime against your people by my people is an other, Im asking you and everyone else to substanciate your claim with proof or simply state the truth. I have no doubt that somewhere at some stage someone inocent was killed by these napalms or other means but that dosent give the right to anyone to turn it in to a such propaganda .

[Soldier of Macedon]

Onur,
Are you sure those are the right links?
I clicked on them, and they provide nothing about what Sportster is asking.
If ive missed it, I sincerely apologise.

Spartan, I have to say mate, I find your indifference towards Sportster's idiocy rather unusual, but at the same time reminiscent of the time Risto the Great and others had their characters attacked by the racists at maggotsontheweb. Are you intending on stepping in at any point and advising your kinsmen of a better way and approach so he can reach the level of understanding you have, or are you going to stay silent again while this banana continues to (seemingly) waste our time?

I think as a Greek, and a MTO local, you should have a sense of duty to lead the new Greek members in the right direction of understanding. I shouldn't have to remind you of the number of times Risto and I have provided you support and acted as mediators to resolve issues between yourself and some Macedonians here.

Honestly mate, you're a top bloke, but your silence with regard to these matters (and this is not isolated, as we have had plenty of Greeks sign up after yourself, most of whom were racists) is starting to give the impression that you condone what he says. Even if that isn't the case, that is how it looks. If Macedonians were attacking you (and I disagreed with what they were doing) and I stayed silent, I would consider myself condoning it, because I, as a member of this forum like you, am in a position to advise them otherwise.

Keep it in mind, I don't want to put pressure on you or obligate you to anything, but at the same time I don't think I should be reminding you about this again. If the expectation is not warranted, then forgive my assumption of what I thought you represent here, as a true and logical Greek that can better relations between our people by assisting your own kinsmen into the realm of normality.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Sportster, still denying the Macedonian suffering, are we? Keep going down the same path, your time here is almost done.

[Risto the Great]

Now, napalms used against Communist possitions in mountenous Greece is one thing and twisting the whole story as to present it to the world as a specific crime against your people by my people is an other, Im asking you and everyone else to substanciate your claim with proof or simply state the truth. I have no doubt that somewhere at some stage someone inocent was killed by these napalms or other means but that dosent give the right to anyone to turn it in to a such propaganda .

My "propaganda" is that napalm was a decisive weapon used by the USA in northern Greece to shut down a war which was not being won by the Greek royalists. Whilst you suggest it was used against communist positions in the mountains, I would suggest most of those people effected were not communists but Macedonians fighting for liberation and justice.

You accept that some innocent people might have been killed. But would prefer to think the napalm was used to light cigars of the gentlemanly Greek military.

Just remember, if that border stayed open in July 1949, someone like you would be scooting around shouting long live Macedonia (in Macedonian) right now.