Financial Crisis in Greece

[makedonche]

EricThe Red

Regarding the small VERO store in Monastiri you might want to rethink the situatio

You might want to rethink what you call Bitola, or go elsewhere and spread your opinions amongst similar thinking fools.

Following this way of thought, it would be in the interest of Macedonians for everything foreign to be thrown out of the country(be it investments, companies, banks, goods etc).

It would be enough to throw out the liars, thieves and racists out of Macedonia.........that would leave most other nationalities except for Greeks.

[Coolski]

If VERO is buying locally produced goods they're probably exploiting those farmers anyway. Either way, every grexit in Macedonian business is a welcome exit. There are other supermarket chains that can do the same (probably better) job without being part of a racist, dying modern greek nation.

[Bill77]

Regarding the small VERO store in Monastiri

while Greece itself may indeed be in a bad shape,

Thats a understatement if i ever seen one

You should realize that the way a government works does not define its people

I beg to differ. Its these people that bring these parties to power.

(else you could call all Macedonians traitors, since their government is treacherous).

Unlike "YUNANISTAN" , Macedonia does not have an alternative. Turn outs to polls are usually low in numbers because of this fact. And those that do vote one or the other treacherous parties, do not escape the wroth here on MTO. I think we are fair and balanced here on MTO.

Throughout the ages the Greek individual has been VERY successful in economics.

As RTG pointed out in one of his posts, in the diaspora in particular Australia, Greeks have been very successful in Business and my hat's off to them. They are hard workers. But its obvious that it's not the same in Yunanistan. Yes they might have been successful at one time, but this success was not due to hard work or wise decision making, (as Greeks in the republic are known as one of the laziest people) but it was due to deceit which has now caught up with this nation and because of it, are in this predicament they are now in.

The Greek businessmen operating in Macedonia(among other countries) are good in economics,

You call it good economics i call it exploitation. One Greek wage pays for 10 workers in Macedonia. This shamefulness and deceit will catch up with these business owners operating in Macedonia i have no doubt.

Moreover, are you sure that the goods sold at ''PAZAR'' are locally owned and produced?

Yes majority

What if the small VERO store sold locally owned and produced goods?

Supplies are imports. There might be an item or two locally produced as a token gesture.

[Stojacanec]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20338529

Greek protesters hurl coffee at German diplomat

Protesters in Greece's second city, Thessaloniki, have hurled coffee at a German diplomat amid resentment over austerity measures advocated by Berlin.

They broke into a conference centre where mayors of Greek and German cities were due to meet.

It was not immediately known if the diplomat had been hurt.

On Wednesday, an envoy of German Chancellor Angela Merkel said three Greek council staff were needed to do the work of a single German.

"Studies show that 3,000 employees are required in Greece for local administration work carried out by 1,000 people in Germany," German Deputy Labour Minister Hans-Joachim Fuchtel said.

Mr Fuchtel has been tasked with working with Greek officials to streamline the operation of local councils.

While he has been visiting Thessaloniki, it is not thought that the envoy was himself targeted in the coffee incident.

Demonstrators chanted "Nazis out" and "This will not pass" as they tried to prevent delegates attending the conference.

"These people haven't come here to help us, but to announce our death sentence," said Themis Balasopoulos, leader of Greece's municipal workers' union, who was at Thursday's protest.

A visit by Mrs Merkel to Athens last month drew street protests.

As the EU's biggest economy, Germany has a key say in debt relief decisions over Greece.

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Greeks are indeed in bad shape as in the above article. They are lazy, corrupt and have habitually been feeding off European funds with no means to repay for years.

It’s time to set the record straight as see what a modern day Greek/Greece can do without the abnormal relief funds from Europe.

[momce]

A great number of responses, I wont comment on every post though.

First of all, regarding the refugees in 1922, maintaining substantial population in Smyrna and Asia Minor coast would be far more profitable for Greece than transferring them to the relatively poorer parts in Aegean Macedonia. Because, excluding Thessaloniki, Kavala and some other coastal towns, the whole region was quite underdeveloped in terms of infrastructure in comparison to Smyrna. And maintaining control of Thessaloniki and Aegean Macedonia coast was easy even without importing population, since most of the Greeks at that time lived near coastal areas. Hence, it would be far better for greece to control both aegean macedonia and asia minor coasts, instead of filling up the 1st and losing completely the 2nd. So, the population exchange was NOT in Greece's benefit-whatever was worth controlling in Aegean Macedonia was already secure. My point is that the population exchange was not originally intentioned-it was indeed forced on Greece, and Aegean Macedonia was chosen as a place of destination because of the departing Muslims(lots of space opened up in cities and villages).

Moreover, Turkey isnt a paragon of human rights herself-as I said, there still remain lots of Macedonians in Greece, while 2.000.000 Greeks who lived in Turkey less than 100 years before are now a mere 5.000. Not to mention the Kurds and Armenians. Greece is indeed a grand violator of human rights, but so is Turkey.

Also, the Ottoman Empire was never a secular country. The Christians were always second to Muslims. The original Asia Minor population were not christened Turks, but christian Eastern-Romans(most of them Greeks in the western part and the cities of Smyrna, Nicaea etc). There are no known records of Turks converting to Christianity en masse, correct? Then, how come there were millions of Christian ''Turks''?? They were Christian, but they were Greeks, Armenians, Cappadocians etc. Not to mention the millions who were forced to become Muslims in the early years after Ottoman conquest.

Wishing for Greece to deteriorate even further economically, because of the embargo(shouldnt have happened) will not help the everyday Macedonian in the Republic. Dont forget that after the embargo Greek interests created tens of thousand of jobs in Macedonia, and the trade between the 2 countries expanded greatly-Macedonia's economic prosperity is connected to Greece's, due to the nature of global economy. Do you see Macedonia better off today than in 2008?? And even if it is, it's not due to our economic crisis. The dispute between our 2 countries isnt an important issue in the lives of most Macedonians and Greeks in their respective homelands, and I dare say that this applies to the Macedonian minority in Greece as well. Are THEIR everyday lives improved with our current economic crisis? They used to have a better standard of living than the Macedonians in the republic, but they suffer now. How is Greece's economy collapsing going to improve their lives?

If someone in Florina for example is struggling to make a living and feed his/her family, seeing their standard of living fall dramatically, I dont really think that seeing the greek or the macedonian flag fly atop the town hall will matter that much-they will still have to struggle just to make things come, since neither country can provide ample relief(correct me if mistaken, I dont really know enough about the Macedonian economy today).

Sorry for the long post, again.

Regarding the Macedonians still in Greece, I stand by what I said. They should be recognized, educated about macedonia, not terrorized etc. But as viscinad said, telling us we are not Greeks isnt going to actually help. We will simply become even more ''paranoid'' than now, making a peaceful solution even more impossible. The analogy I used was in regard to mentality, as I specifically stated. Ofc Macedonia didnt do to Greeks what Greece did to Macedonias, we are on the wrong side and we should stop doing all these stuff. I repeat:Greece should recognize the macedonian minority. Regarding the issue of ancestral homeland all the changes in territory are part of history's current -greeks were once the dominant population in Asia Minor and southern Italy, yet we slowly came to accept that this is no more. In today's Aegean Macedonia, Greeks are the dominant population - a fact that should be kept in mind, while ofc catering to the remaining Macedonians' need for recognition and relevant education. However, to be realistic, and with no offensive attitude, we all know what happened to Macedonia when Albanians educated themselves about their ethnicity-they started a civil war. I personally believe that most of the Macedonian minority will react differently.

Calling our society ''sick'' is exactly the negative attitude that I believe is counterproductive. Do you really think that all we do here in Greece is saying ''omg we are so awesome, everyone else is a barbarian''. The everyday Greek has far more important issues to deal with. And btw, most of us have the same view of Golden Dawn as you do-the Great Idea no longer defines our mentality. We were content with what we had, and wish to return to prosperity. Just as every person in this world, we want to enjoy our lives. We have better things to do than hating your people and terrorizing a minority unknown to most of us(very few people outside of aegean macedonia know much or visit florina and the various northern towns and villages). I have been to Florina a couple of times, and I have to say that it didnt look like occupied territory at all, no soldiers at every corner, full cafes and tavernas(i went there before the crisis) etc... I think that the remaining Macedonians in Greece came to peacefully coexist with the Greeks, after all 50 years have passed since the civil war.

Sure after you ethnically cleanse the place and import "greeks" people from Turkey it will be like that. Seriously I found your comments condescending in the least. The Greek govt has pursued a policy of ethnocide and hellenisation in its Northern areas for decades.

[EricTheRed]

If all citizens of a country that is in a very bad shape at some point in history are to be considered as lazy, inadequate etc, then 99,9% of global population fills that criterion(dunno any country that did NOT went bankrupt at some point in history)

About me using the word Monastiri, my ancestors lived there, but they were expelled during the Balkan wars by the Serbians(the same happened to most people from the greek minority{and yes, a large greek minority did exist in Monastiri for lots of time}), the least I can do is remember what they called their home. You shouldnt be offended, a lot of cities have more than one name(e.g. Thessaloniki-Solun-Selanic etc). Its not like I claimed Monastiri to be a greek city.

Regarding greek business, and the so called ''lies and deceit'', some clarification is needed: who did they lie to?
The fact that they went to Macedonia because of low wages is not ''lies and deceit''- Reality calls you, thats how business is done GLOBALLY. Low wages is the reason Germans/French/US/Russians etc invested in Macedonia. The same applies globally- NIKE produces shoes in China because of the low wages.
Moroever, dont the greek owned businesses in Macedonia employ Macedonians, paying them what a Macedonian company would pay its average employee? Whats wrong with that??? How is that lies and deceit?

YUNANISTAN is the name Turks use, and it means ''Land of the Iones'', so it's not actually offending, as many greeks are indeed from Ionia. If you wanted to use it an offensive manner, you just failed!

And its not like greek voters have any realistic alternatives either, PASOK and ND are the only parties with a complete political program(never mind correct), while the rest are either even more obvious liars than them(Syriza promised to hire 100.000 public servants in these times of crisis) or just laughable(Communist party-remnants of 1914, Golden Dawn-fascists). Problem is PASOK and ND are actually the same, so we have no alternative-hence my point still stands.

[Coolski]

Read this on eKathimerini.

Trading places: SYRIZA and PASOK

By Nick Malkoutzis

What a delicious irony that on Monday – a day when at least one paper carried a headline labeling SYRIZA “the new PASOK” – the leftists announced the results of a vote aimed at uniting the party behind a central vision just a few hours before former PASOK highflier Andreas Loverdos heralded the creation of a new political movement, or would-be party, that splits the Socialists even further.

As SYRIZA attempts to leave behind its days of myriad factions and to create greater cohesion behind a common set of policies, PASOK – the erstwhile epitome of the party coming before anything else – breaks up into ever smaller pieces.

Sunday’s vote was the next step in SYRIZA’s effort to speak with one voice. Since its inception, the party has been made up of a variety of groupings from the left side of the political spectrum, such as Eurocommunists, anti-capitalists and ecologists. This has made for a rare polyphony, an attractive feature in times when the urgency of bailout bills means Parliament’s rules, regulations and even role are often steamrollered. The plurality of views created an ebb and flow that kept the party moving and provided a platform for all views, regardless of how controversial they may have been. Matthaios Tsimitakis, a freelance journalist who follows SYRIZA closely, refers to the process as “exhaustive democracy.”

Despite SYRIZA’s impressive rise over the last two years, this form of democracy has proved too exhausting for some Greeks who may have been considered supporting the party. The failure to pull the SYRIZA voices together into a harmonious left-wing chorus may have proved costly.

In his speech to launch the party’s congress on Friday, SYRIZA leader Alexis Tsipras made a direct appeal to the middle classes to drop their skepticism and embrace the party. But one of the reasons for this reluctance is that some voters who have traditionally backed PASOK and New Democracy are accustomed to hearing one view, seeing MPs unite behind a leader and the party hone its message in preparation for office. The fact they didn’t see this in SYRIZA is one of the reasons that the surge toward the leftists stopped at 26.9 percent in the June 17 elections, less than 3 percent short of victorious New Democracy.

The counterargument from the SYRIZA camp would likely be that success came too quickly for the party and it would not have been in a position to handle coming to office. The latest efforts – “tectonic shifts” as Tsimitakis calls them – are an attempt to correct this, to make SYRIZA a party of power. “We either become a party of members or remain a party of groupings,” said MP Yiannis Dragasakis, emphasizing the need for the party to rid itself of factionalism and capitalize on its lead in opinion polls.

However, as is often the case when tectonic plates shift, things don’t always fall into place straight away. At this weekend’s congress, party members overwhelmingly voted to back Tsipras’s drive to mold SYRIZA into one entity. Just under 75 percent voted for the formation of a central committee, backed by Tsipras, that would steer the party and take the key decisions until a spring conference, when SYRIZA could enter the final stage of its metamorphosis. But this meant that just over 25 percent of members voted for the party’s “Left Platform,” which maintains a much more radical stance on issues including membership of the euro. One in four members being incredulous about the party’s direction is not a statistic that can be ignored.

Beyond that, there is the friction between what Tsimitakis terms “political SYRIZA” and “social SYRIZA,” in other words the arm of the party that tries to plot a strategy that has to do with policies, positions and communication and the section that is focused just on acting, on picking specific issues such as immigration, and making an impact at a grassroots level. If the leftists are to be convincing about wanting to govern, these two segments will need to work in tandem. SYRIZA’s head cannot think one thing and its legs do something else.

The party has already hoovered up much of PASOK’s traditional supporter base – civil servants and small-business owners – so the path to power could come by swaying the austerity-weary middle ground and wavering communists, both of whom are accustomed to more monolithic parties, to get that extra 5 to 10 percent support that will make the difference.

As a civil engineer, Tsipras should know what it takes to build a sturdy structure, and he should be aware this will take time and require great care. At the moment, he is being aided by the capitulation of PASOK, where Evangelos Venizelos is the landlord trying to convince prospective buyers that his apartment is not “cramped” but “cozy,” that PASOK is “compact” and not on the verge of irrelevance.

Although vital to the survival of the government, PASOK has no life of its own outside the confines of the coalition. The public has turned its back on the Socialists both for their role in causing the crisis and their part in handling its fallout so disastrously. In this harsh environment, Venizelos is struggling to find somewhere to pitch his tent and form a base camp from which a revival could be launched. But he has seen his expedition team dwindle over the last few days, down from 33 MPs to 27 after the anguishing vote on the new austerity package.

On Monday, he was hoping to unveil an initiative to tackle Golden Dawn and the threat of fascism. Venizelos, with his skill as a constitutional expert, seems to believe he could lead a drive to get the far-right party outlawed. But this attempt at grabbing the public’s attention was undermined by his one-time close associate, Loverdos, who launched his own political initiative: the Radical Movement of Social Democratic Alliance (RIKSSY), moments before Venizelos’s news conference.

Loverdos says he would like to see RIKSSY become a party but it’s not clear where he will find supporters, given that as a member of the PASOK old guard he carries similar baggage to Venizelos. The ex-health and labor minister’s move whittled down PASOK’s parliamentary group even further as Venizelos immediately expelled him. This means New Democracy and PASOK combined have just 150 seats in Parliament and are totally dependant on backing from Democratic Left and the independent MPs that have departed from the two main parties over the last few weeks.

Greece’s center left is in desperate need of a new impetus but it is impossible to see how Loverdos could provide it. His move appears a knee jerk when the circumstances demand synchronization. Former PASOK veteran Theodoros Pangalos described RIKSSY as an irrelevance, a “rickshaw” as he termed it. Time is pressing, though, if a significant change is going to take place in the center left. PASOK heads for its congress in February, when challengers will have to decide whether they are going to try to unseat Venizelos.

Perhaps more significant for social democracy in Greece than RIKSSY’s arrival on the scene was the exchange of views between various center-left groups that met in Athens a few days ago. Several months in the planning, six groups – Social Pact (Koinonikos Syndesmos), Forward (Brosta), New Reformers (Neoi Metarithmistes), P80, State 2012 (Politeia 2012) and B Initiative (Protovoulia B) – got together for a discussion about the Greek economy and the state of center-left politics in Greece. Nikos Bistis of Democratic Left and Yiannis Maniatis of PASOK joined the debate, the first such event organized by the country’s social democrats.

By all accounts, there was a frank exchange of views that left the impression of future cooperation being possible based around a pro-European, reformist, continental social democratic model. The challenge will be to overcome differences and to decide whether to overhaul PASOK and use it as the vehicle to achieve a political impact or if a new party will have to be formed. Perhaps in a few months, Tsipras might be in a position to pass on some advice.

Is it true that SYRIZA has backed down on their policy to recognise the Macedonian nation and language in Greece?

[momce]

If all citizens of a country that is in a very bad shape at some point in history are to be considered as lazy, inadequate etc, then 99,9% of global population fills that criterion(dunno any country that did NOT went bankrupt at some point in history)

About me using the word Monastiri, my ancestors lived there, but they were expelled during the Balkan wars by the Serbians(the same happened to most people from the greek minority{and yes, a large greek minority did exist in Monastiri for lots of time}), the least I can do is remember what they called their home. You shouldnt be offended, a lot of cities have more than one name(e.g. Thessaloniki-Solun-Selanic etc). Its not like I claimed Monastiri to be a greek city.

Regarding greek business, and the so called ''lies and deceit'', some clarification is needed: who did they lie to?
The fact that they went to Macedonia because of low wages is not ''lies and deceit''- Reality calls you, thats how business is done GLOBALLY. Low wages is the reason Germans/French/US/Russians etc invested in Macedonia. The same applies globally- NIKE produces shoes in China because of the low wages.
Moroever, dont the greek owned businesses in Macedonia employ Macedonians, paying them what a Macedonian company would pay its average employee? Whats wrong with that??? How is that lies and deceit?

YUNANISTAN is the name Turks use, and it means ''Land of the Iones'', so it's not actually offending, as many greeks are indeed from Ionia. If you wanted to use it an offensive manner, you just failed!

And its not like greek voters have any realistic alternatives either, PASOK and ND are the only parties with a complete political program(never mind correct), while the rest are either even more obvious liars than them(Syriza promised to hire 100.000 public servants in these times of crisis) or just laughable(Communist party-remnants of 1914, Golden Dawn-fascists). Problem is PASOK and ND are actually the same, so we have no alternative-hence my point still stands.

you miss the point greece is considered a bad investment and not bonadable...im sure you know what that mean...now they are trying to tout their supposed massive gold and oil holdings(most their gold went to the BIS anyways) and strategic location as a last ditch effort...like i said a country like greece can be dismantled over night just the larger centres need local clients...thats why its impossible for greece to resist the TROIKA..and why populism in the greece has always meant the country will fall apart(because its fake country the further down you go the more apparent that is)

[momce]

and whn greece going to pay that compensation to macedonians, chams and turks in asia minor etc?

[Bill77]

If all citizens of a country that is in a very bad shape at some point in history are to be considered as lazy, inadequate etc, then 99,9% of global population fills that criterion

No not all, just Greece.
You see....its not like your country was ravaged by war or major natural catastrophe. Nor was it due to lack of support or just plain old bad luck. It all comes down to sleep all day, play all night and lie and cheat through life in between.

About me using the word Monastiri, my ancestors lived there, but they were expelled during the Balkan wars by the Serbians

Bullshit........its the first ive heard of such thing to happen. You guys were brothers in arms don't you remember? If your ancestors lived in Pirin and you blamed the Bulgarians.....then it might have been understandable.

the least I can do is remember what they called their home.

So your Ancestors were Turks......now it makes sense why you would call it Manastiri.

The fact that they went to Macedonia because of low wages is not ''lies and deceit''

When taking advantage of other peoples demise, is not only deceitful, you can add he or she is a A predator, A trickster, A scoundrel, a user, a manipulator, Opportunist, Greek (its my new word which i notified Oxford and they are looking into it) or what ever you like, they all fit.

Do you want me to prove there is a God?
Read Romans 12:19-21.......Proverbs 10:9.......Matthew 7:12
Proverbs 28:6 ....... (just to name some) and you will see why some of the things are happening the way they are to your nation.
The first syllable to the name of your nation "Hell" is no coincidence mate.

Reality calls you, thats how business is done GLOBALLY. Low wages is the reason Germans/French/US/Russians etc invested in Macedonia.

Atleast they set proper conditions for their employees. They don't make Macedonian security guards beat up Macedonian workers for taking the biggest day on the Macedonian calender day (Ilinden) off. Only A predator, A trickster, A scoundrel, a user, a manipulator, Opportunist can achieve this and a desperate manipulated brainless idiot would follow these instructions.

YUNANISTAN is the name Turks use, and it means ''Land of the Iones'', so it's not actually offending, as many greeks are indeed from Ionia.

WERE from Ionia

If you wanted to use it an offensive manner, you just failed!

No not at all, I just thought since you are more backward then some Greeks that come in here (or Yunanistanis since you seem to like it so much and feel so comfortable) after your "Manastiri" comment, i threw in "Yunanistan" which would be at your backward Ottoman days level. Its also the language your Baba would have used before he learnt Greek.


I will let you be from now on, i just cant have a more meaningful discussion with you, you are a waist of time. Elveda my Türk friend.

[EricTheRed]

Bullshit??? How the fuck can you know about my ancestors and their ethnicity. And they didnt call it Manastiri, but Monastiri, it means ''abbey'' in greek. They certainly were not Turks as well(if u meant Ottoman citizens, sure, all Macedonians were Ottoman citizens as well, it didnt change the fact that they were Macedonians.).

And yes, they were kicked out of Monastiri. How can you call bs something which probably doesnt get any publicity in Macedonia.

I post here in good will, without questioning anything posted about what happened to Macedonians in Greece, accepting as true almost all the various stuff you guys post. Because if thats what your forefathers told you, then it should be true.

BUT, heh, ETR is Greek, so its okay to dismiss his information about what happened to Greeks in Monastiri as bs, simply because you are not informed about these incidents. Ofc they wouldnt get much publicity in Macedonian press. The Greeks in Monastiri were mostly merchants and industrialists. Their ancestors could push for reparations, since all of their assets were looted(we as a family lost factories and shops there). Check out some of the very old factories in Monastiri, now abandoned. Know that some of them belonged to the Greek minority, which was forcefully expelled. What other reason would they have to abandon their homes?

Moreover, you abruptly declare my ancestors as Turks, without any proof. I never said anything about your ancestors, because I cant possibly have such information. If you are not the fucking CIA, you just cannot know things about my ancestors that I dont reveal. Do you think the Macedonians are the only people in the world maintaining files about their family tree? Be real.

Thats the attitude I referred to in previous posts. The negative attitude that completely enstranges all Greeks, by doing the exact same thing they did to you in the past:deny your identity.
And dont tell me its for defense purposes, because I clearly stated that I recognize the Macedonian people and the need to have rights and ethnical education in Greece.

Btw, its funny that you mention Ionia as it was their home. You see, Aegean Macedonia was claimed 10 years before that. And since now the grand majority is greek, how can you lay claims to it? It aint your home now, its ours. Thats the conclusion your logic leads to.

And about the Troika thing, do you expect that in the event Macedonia was in dire financial straits, anyone would actually care? You see, Greece is still a far more important country than Macedonia.

I came here in good will, as I stated above, only to have my identity denied in the end? And yet, I am a reasonable person.


I sadly see many people are blinded by hatred towards Greeks and anything Greek. You dont want a solution. You want Greece to be exterminated, and its people as well. You dont want coexistence and mutual prosperity in the Balkans, but war and strife. Its a pity, hoping for 11 million people to suffer is just sad. But thats all you can do:have wet dreams. Face the truth: Macedonia is still an insignificant country compared to Greece, check out some other posts of mine about the difference between economic sizes(Aegean Macedonia has 5 times the GDP and average income of RoM). But as I said, you are blinded by hatred....

[Bill77]

I sadly see many people are blinded by hatred towards Greeks and anything Greek.

Angry is the more appropriate word. Macedonians don't know how to hate and never have. Since the Ancient days, That has been the difference between Macedonians and Greeks.

Face the truth: Macedonia is still an insignificant country compared to Greece,

Yet this tiny insignificant little country is a threat to you guys (according to your politicians and general public within Greece).
Make up your mind please

....... You want Greece to be exterminated, and its people as well....... Its a pity, hoping for 11 million people to suffer is just sad. But thats all you can do:have wet dreams.

Its not our will mate but Gods, it is written, and your Anti Christ demons .....oops, i mean Priests, should be preaching this to the masses and not be concerned how Macedonia is Grik and Bitola belongs to Gris. Just like you, I mean this in good will for i am concerned about your people.

But as I said, you are blinded by hatred...

No wrong again. We are angered by your past and present actions. We really love you and just want you to change.

[momce]

we dont want to destroy greece just what is rightfully ours...macedonia

[Phoenix]

...Face the truth: Macedonia is still an insignificant country compared to Greece, check out some other posts of mine about the difference between economic sizes(Aegean Macedonia has 5 times the GDP and average income of RoM). But as I said, you are blinded by hatred....

The relative "insignificance" of Macedonia compared to greece doesn't give greece any superior 'right' to deny the Macedonian's self identity or respect as a distinct and seperate ethnic group.
Perhaps once greece acknowledges the wrongs it has committed against the hundreds of thousands of Aegean Macedonians we can reciprocate the alleged injustices to the few dozen 'greek industialists' of Bitola.

Perhaps we're blinded by some form of hatred but what's the excuse for your blindness?

[momce]

we are against sociopathic greek monarchofascists and all the damage they did to our land, communities, people and culture