Financial Crisis in Greece

[Pelister]

a typical greek opinion piece riddled with the same xenophobic, racist rubbish. even with the suggested political and economic turmoil, it's the 'non-greek' elements that are to blame, and according to the author, this would include the outsiders that have married into the papandreou family.

Precisely.

[Pelister]

I bet our people have no idea what is happening next door. They cary this false impresion of the EU in there heads and don't know better.

They say love is blind.

The attitude in the Mak governement and at UMD is the problem. The attitude there is that our membership to the E.U is essential to our survival and progress.

These Macedonians are not worried about the hypocracy of the E.U position regarding Macedonia. There are no principles involved here, just a slavish hope. Just how much they know about this organization is open to discussion, but in the years I have been posting here and at Maknews - no one has been able to make a case how E.U membership will benefit Macedonia, and no one has been able to make a case why we should be negotiating our identity to get there. Just alot of propoganda about "how great" it would be. I cannot deny that there are some obvious benefits, but is it right for Macedonia given all the givens? These Macedonians need to wake up.

[Pelister]

Maybe now is the time for Macedonia to make a move, but I think its would be a wild goose chase. They would do better to have FYROM overturned at the U.N.

[osiris]

spot on sydney, what are those great values he talks about, is it the oppression of minorities and the imposition of a fabricated hellenic identity.

[Soldier of Macedon]

imagine the recriminations that are going on behind the scenes in greichenland right now, its your fault re malaka, no re its your fault pousti, how can this be happening we are greeks we invented lying and scheming, who is to blame, i know its those skopyeans.

Hahaha.........

[Buktop]

and people (i.e. macedonians) still blindly pursue the EU. people continue to live in hope of a better future as there appears to be no clear governance from the top in MKD. very frustrating.

Hey, if they are willing to bend rules for other EU member countries, why wouldn't they bend them for Macedonia once they become a member?

What we need to understand is that there are bigger issues at hand in the EU, the very essence of their economy, the EMU is at stake, why the hell wouldn't they bend their own rules to preserve it?

The thing you need to watch is the result of the March 16 meeting, Greece has already been stripped of it's voting rights, the outcome of this meeting in March will tell us whether or not they are kicked out of the EMU or whether Greece is to face further sanctions from the EU.

We are looking at all this transpire from the outside, if the EU is willing to help out the likes of Greece, who have falsified their financial statements since day one, why the hell wouldn't they do it for Macedonia if we were a member?

[Silver]

I think what's really important here is now that 'Greece' is about to implode economically, and it embarks on the natural course of events as a result, it will also demonstrate very clearly that 'Greece' is not, nor was it ever, a functioning democracy capable of solving its own problems. It was never a democracy for the people from the start in the sense that whatever ethnics who lived in Morea prior to 1832 were transformed into something artificial by a class of ruling elites. The paradigm has not changed to this day and is fundamentally at the heart of 'Greece's' problems.

The poor sap who wrote this column has it only at about 5 - 8%. The rest of his drivel comes from the mere fact that he's just another victim of a 'Greek' education and ingrained xenophobia. He has absolutely no hope to ever understand what's really going on in the world. Ruling elites through a sense of entitlement begin to treat the whole country like their own backyard as power tends to corrupt and absolute power blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda....What escapes this writer and every other 'Greek' is that the Parprandrerioueiouieopoulouses’s know the entire truth about modern 'Greece' and the myth which it perpetuates very well, that's why they don't respect the country. Their secret to keeping power is to maintain the myth and the ultra-nationalist doctrine of discipline and fear of being a traitor or enemy to your own country. This is well ingrained in the mind of each and every citizen. Although PASOK sell themselves as bleeding heart socialists, they’re still selling the same old myth. In the mean time, they steal, plunder and bribe all they want with impunity. Perhaps their time has finally come though? Yes, perhaps the only thing that can help or change 'Greece' for the better is finally near. Revolution!

So, while 'Greece' really is no different than Nazi Germany was even though they have two 'western' packaged national parties, how much longer can the EU's turn a blind eye to it? Perhaps the EU's are willing to tolerate fascism and that it can be appropriate in this case since it mostly affects the 'dumb old sub-human Slav's' who they don't want causing them trouble anyways. Well in that case, this is just what they deserve for creating such a monster in the first place. Thanks to 'Greece', and the Arvano-Vlach imposter's, the next sick man of Europe is Europe, and I'm happy to see it.

[osiris]

greece is the tip of the iceburg, if they bail out greece who is going to bail out spain portugal even britain. a hard rains gonna fall these next few deacdes people and it will level the playing field between west and the rest.

[Silver]

Hey, if they are willing to bend rules for other EU member countries, why wouldn't they bend them for Macedonia once they become a member?

What we need to understand is that there are bigger issues at hand in the EU, the very essence of their economy, the EMU is at stake, why the hell wouldn't they bend their own rules to preserve it?

The thing you need to watch is the result of the March 16 meeting, Greece has already been stripped of it's voting rights, the outcome of this meeting in March will tell us whether or not they are kicked out of the EMU or whether Greece is to face further sanctions from the EU.

We are looking at all this transpire from the outside, if the EU is willing to help out the likes of Greece, who have falsified their financial statements since day one, why the hell wouldn't they do it for Macedonia if we were a member?

Yeah Right Mr Buktop, we wouldn't want to miss out for sure.

Let's see how will the Euro's will help 'Greece'?

I know, they'll tell them 'canned tuna is cheap yet full of protein'.

[DedoAleko]

Greek Government Bashes Germany, asks for WW2 money

You know you are in financial trouble when you go back to WW2 and ask Germany for 'war damages'. As irony would have it, Greece is asking for 'war money' from the country which essentially created Greece in 1835.

Greek opposition lawmakers said on Thursday that Germans should pay reparations for their World War Two occupation of Greece before criticising the country over its yawning fiscal deficits.
"How does Germany have the cheek to denounce us over our finances when it has still not paid compensation for Greece's war victims?" Margaritis Tzimas, of the main opposition New Democracy party, told parliament.

"There are still Greeks weeping for their lost brothers," the conservative lawmaker said during a debate on a bill to clean up the country's discredited statistical service. This type of silly rhetoric will only further frustrate the Germans who have poured billions into Greece for the past 20 years.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government has so far deflected appeals to promise aid to heavily indebted Greece, despite fears that failure to help Athens could threaten the euro.

Merkel's stance is backed by opinion polls showing that a vast majority of Germans oppose a bailout, and Germany's biggest selling daily Bild has lambasted Greece as a nation of lazy cheats who should be "thrown out of the euro on their ear".

But Greek lawmakers from three left-wing and conservative opposition parties said Germans had no right to claim the moral high ground.

Six deputies from the small Left Coalition party urged the government to press Berlin over the reparations issue and blamed German banks and politicians for Greece's crisis.

"By their statements, German politicians and German financial institutions play a leading role in a wretched game of profiteering at the expense of the Greek people," they said in a written question to the government.

Responding to criticism that Greece fiddled its figures to get into the euro in 2001, communist MP Nikos Papaconstantinou asserted that Germany was not above using such tricks itself.

"As if we didn't know that Germany inflated the value of its gold reserves to get into the euro," he said.

In 1960, Germany paid Greece about 115 million deutschemarks to compensate victims of Nazi persecution. However, some Greek pressure groups say this did not cover civilian victims of reprisals and a forced occupation loan.

Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou refrained from joining the attack on Germany.

"We all have our criticism as to how public opinion in one or the other country perceives the Greek problem," he said during the debate.

He added that New Democracy, which is allied with Merkel's Christian Democrats in the European People's Party, should have addressed any criticism to Germany while it was in government until last October.

izvor: http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/12524/1/

[DedoAleko]

more:
War Reparations In Order To Make Up For Their Debt Disaster

You know things are bad when a European country whips out the old no-longer-relevant scapegoat of World War II Germany.

Reuters:

"How does Germany have the cheek to denounce us over our finances when it has still not paid compensation for Greece's war victims?" Margaritis Tzimas, of the main opposition New Democracy party, told parliament.

"There are still Greeks weeping for their lost brothers," the conservative lawmaker said during a debate on a bill to clean up the country's discredited statistical service.

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Six deputies from the small Left Coalition party urged the government to press Berlin over the reparations issue and blamed German banks and politicians for Greece's crisis.

"By their statements, German politicians and German financial institutions play a leading role in a wretched game of profiteering at the expense of the Greek people," they said in a written question to the government.

If anything, contemplating the last sixty years since the war should make Greece (and many other countries in fact) wonder why defeated nations like Germany and Japan were able to rise from their ashes and turn into some of the world's largest economies.

Perhaps an economy's worst enemies lie within its old tangled domestic structures.

izvor: http://www.businessinsider.com/greek...isaster-2010-2

[Bill77]

Quote: "This type of silly rhetoric will only further frustrate the Germans who have poured billions into Greece for the past 20 years".


Who is the bigest fool here, the silly fool? or the fool that gets fooled by a fool? Hope you follow


Like i said before, when will nations learn that snakes bite and you should not play with them.

[osiris]

this is great stuff let them dig an even bigger hole to live in.

[fyrOM]

go greeks keep digging that hole deeper. everyone who can help them dig it deeper should do so by calling talkback stations and writting into newspapers. tell them you will not pay for someone elses theft. use emotive language like we germans or british ect are charitable people and we continualy help people who are in genuine need such haiti but you refuse to give money to cover someones squander and theft. they lied to get in the eurozone when they were not ready and like other countries waiting to improve themselves to be deemed worthy to get in so greece should have been made to wait until they could prove they were worthy. having swindled us once they kept on taking aid from europe for years. they should not be allowed to swindle us twice and cost us for years to come. i am a good citizen always prepared to pay my taxes but not to thieves.hammer the point at every opportunity that politicians need to respect the will of the people during being in government or they will at the next election and who knows how many elections to come. make greece leave the eurozone and wait in line like so many other countries.

[fyrOM]

does anybody hear an opportunity for macedonia in the name issue or was that just the wind.