Nikola Gruevski

[Bill77]

The FA does NOT say that and there is NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT to do it but UCK ("DUI") threatened WAR in 2006/7, when they were excluded from the coalition government, because they "felt" IT WAS THEY that should be in coalition instead of DPA as they had won the "Albanian" election in Macedonia.

well I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.

[indigen]

OK guys read between the lines:
SDSM increased its mps from about 18 to 30=>
Gruevski had an absolute majority that gave him the right to act freely and his alliance with DUI was more of safety measure to ensure that even if his own mps abandoned him, he'd still have the majority but now...
Gruevski doesn't have a majority in the parliament. Of course he'll be the prime minister but his alliance with DUI will be absolutely necessary for him to maintain his power, so DUI will get more privileges.
Of course DUI will also have a couple of less mps this time because of the generally low level of participation of the Albanian minority and the entrance of Rufi Osmani in the parliament will pressure them to increase their minority issues policies.

That makes the motives behind the "diaspora candidates" quite obvious I think. Without them Gruevski would have about 53 mps in a parliament where 61 one are needed to be the majority, so given the rise of RDK DUI would probably have less than 8 mps so...no government for Gruevski unless he invited another Albanian party and let me tell you that triple alliances are too shaky.

dPmNE election alliance had about 62 in the last parliament but in there are included some 10 or so non dPmNE MPs and their alliance has lost some 9 MPS from that total and gained 3 from the extra Diaspora seats introduced in this election. Total MPs now is 123 and 50% + 1 = 62 (for a simple majority). SdSm also has a number of alliance MPs and it is easily possible, IMO, for some of them to be bought over to a dPmNE government. The opposite can also happen, i.e. dPmNE could lose MPs from their "allies" in a given scenario.

[indigen]

I, think they've lost some? We, still don't know that actual count - more, then 55 they said and why don't we know who won Saturday in the USA? Anyone, else feel a sense of loss today - a no win situation?

DIK official site stats: http://217.16.84.11/Default.aspx [All the OFFICIAL info is at this link!]

ДИК: ВМРО-ДПМНЕ 437.665, СДСМ 367.876 гласа (100% избир. места)

[George S.]

does anyone know what the albanian parties got.
also what was the diaspora vote how many voted.

[Egejska]

does anyone know what the albanian parties got.
also what was the diaspora vote how many voted.

ДУИ освоила 108.371 гласови (9,99%), ДПА 59.693 (5,51%), НДП 29.132 (2,69), ВМРО-НП 27.466 (2,53%), Нова Демократија 19.314 (1,78%), Обединети за Македонија 16.333 (1,51%), ЛДП 15.958 (1,47%), Достоинство 8.607 (0,79), ПОДЕМ 4.391 (0,40%), СДУ 2.169 (0,20%), НДУ 428 (0,04%), СДПМ 1.773 (0,16%), Демократска десница 1.458 (0,13%), Европска партија на Македонија 120 (0,01%), ПДП 248 (0,02%).

http://kurir.mk/makedonija/vesti/32174-DIK-VMRO-DPMNE-so-najmnogu-glasovi-426804-SDSM-358169

Diaspora vote;

Unofficially, the Macedonian diaspora in Europe submitted 1,465 for the ruling Government (Risto Manchev of VMRO-DPMNE), 154 for SDSM, 402 for DUI, 54 for VMRO-NP, and 50 for DPA.

In US and Canada, similar story, overwhelming victory for VMRO-DPMNE candidate (Pavle Sazdov) receiving 560 votes, 82 for the SDSM, 242 for SDU and 58 for Dostoinstvo.

In Australia, Miki Dodevski of the VMRO DPMNE received 549 votes, the SDSM 9, while Dostoinstvo received 12 and OM with 6.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/18306/45/

[Stojacanec]

2500 votes from the diaspora world wide, if my calculations are correct that is not a whole lot of interest.

[Droog]

That's right they don't need to ally.

Not really since Gruevski's coalition with 39% of the votes and no torbesh in the parliament can only ally itself with DUI if it wants to become the government. So no DUI alliance = no Gruevski government.

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

2500 votes from the diaspora world wide, if my calculations are correct that is not a whole lot of interest.

People are disappointed with all the vmro parties, so why bother voting when they negotiate the name?

[Mastika]

It seesm that both Dostoinstvo and Obedineti za Makedonija failed to make any significant gains in this election. Is this likely to see the demise of both parties?

[Currency Trader]

2500 votes from the diaspora world wide, if my calculations are correct that is not a whole lot of interest.

If this is true, diaspora has hardly any influence on Rep. of Macedonia.

[Rogi]

Given the hurdles and disincentives they created just to register to be eligible to vote, it's a wonder anyone voted at all.

To put it into perspective, there are just over 10,000 Macedonians who carry Macedonian Passports, living in Australia and an average of 10,000 Macedonians from Australia travel to the Republic of Macedonia per year.

Now, these 10,000 Macedonians could be, and should be, in any normal circumstance, eligible to vote - as citizens and as Passport holders.

However, with the disincentives and the unbelievable process, as well as the very limited time frames, it's no wonder that only 7% of the people who should be eligible to vote (given they are citizens) were able to be registered to vote. Of those eligible to vote, 80% went and cast their votes.

That's not mentioning the many who were turned back and prevented from casting their vote because they "weren't on the list" (the arrogance of the Macedonian electoral commission representatives is astounding and very much so an indicator of all Administration in Macedonia, but I digress), despite checking and confirming that they are on the sec.mk website, etc.


You're right though, the Diaspora has very little political influence on the Republic of Macedonia.

By comparison, here's some insight into the Diaspora's economic influence:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/money-from-the-diaspora-overshadow-macedonia-s-fdi

[walrus335]

Given the hurdles and disincentives they created just to register to be eligible to vote, it's a wonder anyone voted at all.

To put it into perspective, there are just over 10,000 Macedonians who carry Macedonian Passports, living in Australia and an average of 10,000 Macedonians from Australia travel to the Republic of Macedonia per year.

Now, these 10,000 Macedonians could be, and should be, in any normal circumstance, eligible to vote - as citizens and as Passport holders.

However, with the disincentives and the unbelievable process, as well as the very limited time frames, it's no wonder that only 7% of the people who should be eligible to vote (given they are citizens) were able to be registered to vote. Of those eligible to vote, 80% went cast their votes.

That's not mentioning the many who were turned back and prevented from casting their vote because they "weren't on the list", despite checking and confirming that they are on the sec.mk website, etc.


You're right though, the Diaspora has very little political influence on the Republic of Macedonia.

By comparison, here's some insight into the Diaspora's economic influence:
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...acedonia-s-fdi

Most of it is from the Albanians.

[Rogi]

That's incorrect.

Perhaps you can share how you came up with that conclusion? Or is it a 'feeling' or 'hunch' that cannot be backed up?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

If this is true, diaspora has hardly any influence on Rep. of Macedonia.

100% false and has absolutely nothing to do with elections, number of voters or who wins.

A. Mason

[julie]

Most of it is from the Albanians.

because it was rigged in the majority for your bunch of heathens