Nikola Gruevski

[Risto the Great]

Is that you donkey boy?
Gee, it took me a while ... but when I see the cheap Russian attempts ... it spells Mr Ed, everyone's favourite donkey.

Ladna? Is that a car?
Uchitil ... hmmm, not.
Daskal ... umm, the Turks liked this word.

[Svoliani]

Is that you donkey boy?
Gee, it took me a while ... but when I see the cheap Russian attempts ... it spells Mr Ed, everyone's favourite donkey.

Ladna? Is that a car?
Uchitil ... hmmm, not.
Daskal ... umm, the Turks liked this word.

Risto im dissapointed , your friends caught on faster than you.
Daskalos is Turkish ? lol
yeah its Uchitil , ask around.

[Risto the Great]

Uchitel.
Donkey.
Daskal = Turkish. (also used by Serbs, Bulgars, Romanians etc)

[Svoliani]

Uchitel.
Donkey.
Daskal = Turkish. (also used by Serbs, Bulgars, Romanians etc)

Uchitil were i come from.
sorry you win magare(old bulgar word)
from ancient greek didaskalos, this is simple stuff Risto cmon now.

'Historically, the layer of Greek borrowings in the lexical stratification of Macedonian is known to be considerably older than the Turkish one, and it includes orally transmitted words covering a wider dialectal scope (daskal 'teacher', fener 'lamp', ortoma 'rope'), and a much larger number of literary words (geni 'genes', efemeria 'transience'). On the other hand, however, Greek influence in Macedonia was local, restricted to the southern Macedonian dialects and decreasing in the north, whereas Turkish influence was evenly and uniformly spread over the entire territory of Macedonia.'

http://www.macedonia.co.uk/client/index1.aspx?page=168

sorry for influencing u kefala... or kebala if u prefer.

[Pelister]

So, now new Greeks are describing the Macedonians as 'Bulgarians'. Isn't that convenient? Isn't it convenient that they can tap into Bulgarian claims that the Macedonians are Bulgarians? How many times have foreigners - believing this kind of colonial discourse about who the Macedonians are - have arrived in Macedonia, to have those colonial myths dispelled immediately. The only people who are going to believe this drivel - yesterday they were Slavophones, today their Bulgarians, tommorrow something else - are ignorant members of the E.U who know only one history of Macedonia - a history of Greek and Bulgarian colonial domination and oppression; and refuse to believe anything else.

[Daskalot]

Why are you amazed? There are thousands of Greeks living in Russia, Georgia , Caucas mountains. They are in Czech Republic, Romania, Poland, Ukraine. You will find Greeks all over the world.
Why are you so shocked ?
Now change your username from Daskal (which means teacher in Greek)
to proper Slavic which would be Uchitil . Ladna?

Ne vre brat, vrucho je tu kod nas u Srbije......

[Daskalot]

Uchitil were i come from.
sorry you win magare(old bulgar word)
from ancient greek didaskalos, this is simple stuff Risto cmon now.

'Historically, the layer of Greek borrowings in the lexical stratification of Macedonian is known to be considerably older than the Turkish one, and it includes orally transmitted words covering a wider dialectal scope (daskal 'teacher', fener 'lamp', ortoma 'rope'), and a much larger number of literary words (geni 'genes', efemeria 'transience'). On the other hand, however, Greek influence in Macedonia was local, restricted to the southern Macedonian dialects and decreasing in the north, whereas Turkish influence was evenly and uniformly spread over the entire territory of Macedonia.'

http://www.macedonia.co.uk/client/index1.aspx?page=168

sorry for influencing u kefala... or kebala if u prefer.

Svolie, let me give you a little taste of the Greek words we use in my kraj..... migdal, geramida, kinisa, ortoma as you said.......

there are many more, and you would be surprised were I have some of my roots from........

[El Bre]

'Historically, the layer of Greek borrowings in the lexical stratification of Macedonian is known to be considerably older than the Turkish one, and it includes orally transmitted words covering a wider dialectal scope (daskal 'teacher', fener 'lamp', ortoma 'rope'), and a much larger number of literary words (geni 'genes', efemeria 'transience'). On the other hand, however, Greek influence in Macedonia was local, restricted to the southern Macedonian dialects and decreasing in the north, whereas Turkish influence was evenly and uniformly spread over the entire territory of Macedonia.'

The only thing this proves is that we've been around for one fuck of a long time and our language is peppered with words from our various overlords.

Ed, you keep banging the same note over and over. When are you going to realise that this language angle is a dead end.

But hey, whatever. Keep trying to unscramble that egg.

[osiris]

greek both ancient and modern is a langauge that has borrowed extensively. all langauges do the word daskal in easily explained given that the firts schools in mcaedonia in the modern era were greek schools thanks to the deal the phanorites made with the ottomans. my great grandfather attended one of these schools but according to my father he neer once considerd us to have much in common with the arvanovlachs of greece.

[Traveller]

URGENT

In tommorow's Greek newspapers there is a leak of a non paper which says that there are secret negotiations between US and ROM (it names Gruevski) for : ACCEPTANCE OF NORTH MACEDONIA and (through a trick that i didnt hear it very well, it refered to a corpus in UN that will accept without being in voting) MACEDONIAN ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE. All greek tv news had it this evening and there is an angry reaction by Greek foreign ministry(unofficially) for Mr Nimitz as for his real intentions. Greece is leaning toward rejection of Mr Nimitz's plans...

[Daskalot]

URGENT

In tommorow's Greek newspapers there is a leak of a non paper which says that there are secret negotiations between US and ROM (it names Gruevski) for : ACCEPTANCE OF NORTH MACEDONIA and (through a trick that i didnt hear it very well, it refered to a corpus in UN that will accept without being in voting) MACEDONIAN ETHNICITY AND LANGUAGE. All greek tv news had it this evening and there is an angry reaction by Greek foreign ministry(unofficially) for Mr Nimitz as for his real intentions. Greece is leaning toward rejection of Mr Nimitz's plans...

Seriously do you really believe what your media tells you, I surely do not, I seek my own information, media is brainwashing, trust me.

[Traveller]

Seriously do you really believe what your media tells you, I surely do not, I seek my own information, media is brainwashing, trust me.

This thing is serious. Someone is showing his cards. It's either the Bush administration expressing its will or Gruevski leaking to his people the "North Macedonia" accompanied by Macedonian ethnicity. The Greek state plays defence awaiting Obama and basically Biden.

[Daskalot]

This thing is serious. Someone is showing his cards. It's either the Bush administration expressing its will or Gruevski leaking to his people the "North Macedonia" accompanied by Macedonian ethnicity. The Greek state plays defence awaiting Obama and basically Biden.

maybe maybe not, I would be more worried about the ethnic Macedonians in Greece which UN met, you are concentrating on the "wrong side of the problem" so to say, Macedonia will be a part of our name because we are ETHNICALLY Macedonian, you are not, you are only Greeks and that only by your socalled cultural heritage.......

Just to summarize, because ethnic Macedonians exist in every part of Macedonia, the Republic will hold the name of Macedonia, thus the appropriate ethnicity is Macedonian with the spoken language of Macedonian.

You see, you lost when you stated to argue about our name of our nation, I think you Traveller should be the first Greek going to the UN and stating that you are a ETHNIC MACEDONIAN, try it. Lets see if you can persuade them......

[Pelister]

Someone forgot to notify the U.N that all those years ago - Greece officially referred to it as the "Socialist Republic of Macedonia" - between 1945 and the break up of Yugoslavia. FYROM was a huge step backwards, but nobody bothered to raise this point.

Greece created a name dispute, where there wasn't one.

I don't believe the Greek media.

[Royal Hellas]

The Socialist Republic of Macedonia was safe and sound under the control of Yugoslavia. There was no issue then.
Look at what freedom has done.