Nikola Gruevski

[Bill77]

Why would Albanians do anything to join the EU? Entering the EU wouldn't mean that Macedonia is safekeeping its borders and its interests, thus destroying any dream of theirs for Great Albania?

You are correct john, Albanians have absalutely no desire joining th EU for the reasons you just mentioned. Its all an act.

[Buktop]

This is a big shift in opinion for you Buktop - extremely late, but better late than never. However, I notice you havn't taken this line up on Maknews yet. Until yesterday, you were still arguing that there was no alternative with your buddy MVB...

I was not arguing about EU, I was arguing about the alternatives to withdrawing from international agreements, and preventing the negative externalities associated with telling Greece, the EU, and NATO to go fuck themselves.

What you don't seem to understand is that whether or not we tell them all to go fuck themselves, 60% of Macedonia's Oil/Gas supply comes through Greece, and up to 80% of Macedonia's exports travel through Greece via Solun. Crippling numbers that make us vulnerable to political pressure from our southern neighbor... I don't know if you remember the last embargo at all, but it was particularly devastating to the citizens of Macedonia... My primary concern is avoiding these problems so that we may ensure our goals are not met with crippling repercussions. The EU provided an exit strategy, and now, it is no longer relevant. If you haven't noticed by now, my emphasis is on economic stability, and in turn, reducing the relevance of Greece in our affairs. A method to my madness if you will.

[julie]

Buktop love this -


Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

[Soldier of Macedon]

I don't know if you remember the last embargo at all, but it was particularly devastating to the citizens of Macedonia

Buktop, can you elaborate by citing some examples of this devastation?

[Buktop]

Buktop love this -


Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!

It is a beautiful song, and I couldn't help but include it in my Sig, Glad you enjoyed it

[Buktop]

Buktop, can you elaborate by citing some examples of this devastation?

Pages 219-221 are of particular importance. I can also site for you individual economic data recordings of the time if you like.

http://books.google.com/books?id=InyEqBVhH-EC&pg=PA218&lpg=PA218&dq=devastation+of+the+1994+blockade+of+Macedonia&source=bl&ots=qU1nZPGwUT&sig=twSx_MB5P3FGjIqAduwZ4ewDLAE&hl=en&ei=_5T_S5-eN4O88gb2hM3WDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=devastation%20of%20the%201994%20blockade%20of%20Macedonia&f=false

[Frank]

5 years ago I was the only Internet Warrior pleding no to EU membership I have NEVER supported it

for christ sakes the EU is hardly a democray the EU parliament meet a mere 3 times a year just how is the EU a pillar of Democracy

This all is so easy say NO to the EU what a great advertising slogan that would be

How easy would it be to print some placards and street walk the next time you holiday in Makedonia how about Australians doing that i wish i could

[Buktop]

The EU offered certain potential benefits that outweighed the negatives (depending on what your views are) The scales have tipped in my opinion, and are no longer in favor of European integration, though I still maintain my views that we must find alternative sources of diversification in terms of trade and energy, as well as political support.

[Makedonetz]

Our people are crying out time for the Gov't to listen. The grass isn't greener on the EU side

[Vangelovski]

Buktop,

The embargo was one-sided. What do you think would have happened if the Gligorov government showed some sense and blocked our side of the border? Macedonians were not allowed to cross, yet Greek firms travelled freely. What kind of an idiotic reaction was that from the Macedonian side? How long do you think the embargo would have lasted had our side closed the border as well?

You claim the embargo was devastating? It was 18 months - get over it. Everyone cries about wanting to make life 'easier'. How about some sacrifice? How about some hard work? How about fulfilling our responsibilities (yes freedom demands responsibility not just rights) rather than just banging on about how "devastating" an embargo would be?

[Big Bad Sven]

Why would Albanians do anything to join the EU? Entering the EU wouldn't mean that Macedonia is safekeeping its borders and its interests, thus destroying any dream of theirs for Great Albania?

Wether or not the shiptars in macedonia want to join the EU is questionable, however they and their leaders such as Mendu Thaci and Ali Ahmeti use the lack of progress of joining the EU as a excuse in starting more conflict in macedonia.

The shiptars are the dogs of war for the yanks and europe, and when they want to squeeze macedonia's balls and push them into changing its name they get the albanian dogs angry and barking that they "want" to get into the EU otherwise there will be "war", to scare the macedonians....

[Frank]

Our people are crying out time for the Gov't to listen.

It is now is time for mass rallys not to wait for a referendam each time our Nieghbours ask a question or demand from us

[Bill77]

PM Gruevski: We invest maximum efforts for EU accession, citizens should not be underestimated

Skopje, 28 May 2010 (MIA) - Certain structures within the EU should not have wrong feelings whether we sincerely aspire for EU accession, since we do this to the maximum and there should be doubts, said Friday Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, adding the opinion of Macedonian citizens regarding the name issue should not be underestimated.

PM Gruevski commented on yesterday's warning by Macedonian Rapporteur, MEP Zoran Thaler there was an emerging feeling in Brussels that "maybe Macedonia does not see any interest in EU accession, but this is a facade for some other interests".

"If such feelings are truly emerging, I believe they are wrong. Thaler also questioned our efforts. We are investing maximum efforts and there should be no doubts in this regard", added Gruevski.

Following the "Dnevnik" survey over the resistance by majority of respondents for continuation of the name talks, as well as the messages by EU ambassador Erwan Fouere and Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Fuele that the Government should work more on explaining all aspects of the name issue, PM Gruevski urged that positions of Macedonian citizens are not underestimated.

"I heard this resistance is credited to the Government, i.e. VMRO-DPMNE. I would say that citizens should not be underestimated, because they do not easily succumb to what one or two people say", he assessed.

Asked about the name issue, the PM said it was not a problem created yesterday or in the past four years.

"This is a 20-year-long issue and Macedonian citizens are well acquainted with its segments and details. The citizens' opinion has not been built in the past three years, so they should not be underestimated by saying 'the government said this and you should think in this way'. This is underestimation", underlined PM Gruevski.

http://www.idividi.com.mk/English/Macedonia/604134/index.html

So if the Government decides on entering EU, they will be labeled by there own people as Evil and Traitors for doing so.

Now that there a signs of anti EU and Macedonians have had a gut full of 20years of European dictatorship, These foriegn dogs such as MEP Zoran Thaler, Erwan Fouere, Stefan Fuele etc etc will blame the government.

Its not a tough call, i know who i would please.

[Dimko-piperkata]

theres no other option for vmro or any other party.
the slavedriver commands and we have to implement, otherwise we are "history"

but if u ask me, better to die as macedonians as to exist as something like "north-macedonians" or similar.

[Daniel the Great]

They expect us to just forget about our name and our identity, and for what? to join a social club? no no no, its time for the Macedonian Government to listen to its people on what they want.
We are Macedonians our nation is Macedonia.