Gjorgje Ivanov

[Vangelovski]

Another "expert" for the vassals to quote. His only argument is that "small countries need big friends"...why? He doesn't say, they just do! He also disengeniously attacks independent thought as somehow linked to financial corruption...again without explaining how. Lots of unsubstantiated dribble, but with a clear motive. I can understand why he makes the argument though, he's not a vassal, but rather sits on the other side of the fence...

[makedonche]

Another expert opinion from an expert with little or no understanding of the Macedonian Cause as we know it. The "Macedonian project" as he refers to it is very rapidly dying, we wil not succumb to being somebody's project and as for his views and opinions, it's simple:-
Opinions are like arseholes........everybody's got one!

[Onur]

Man, we had few people like this in Turkey too. Most of these people are educated and brainwashed in western Europe or they got some kind of connection with EU lobbies.

Their tactic and the way of expression never changes tough. I wish you could understand Turkish cuz i can give you 1000s of articles like this one, written in Turkish newspapers over a period of 10 years. Exact same statements, it`s just the subject here is Macedonia instead of Turkey. These people even dared to call Turkey as some kind of projected state too. I remember that i`ve read articles like that here. Ofc it didn't work out here since we got 1000+ years history of sovereign empires and states but nevertheless, this didn't stop them to try to do that. I believe that this weak tactics of them shouldn't work in Macedonia either.



First they pick up few problems about your country, then they start telling you that if you would be in EU, these problems would be fixed but they never explain how and why. In their point of view, It`s just gets fixed magically if you`d be in EU, somehow!!?!. Then they talk about the "possible dangers" of your nations unity, power and sovereignty and they claim that it wont be possible to continue as your own. They draw a picture like whole world consists of only the EU and if you wouldn't be part of them then you are destined to be on your own. They just draw a dark picture like this and politely but indirectly ask you to give up your nation and surrender to the EU by all your means.


I believe these people are just representatives of the EU and probably there are few of them in every European country. In the media, tv, the parliament, you can find at least one of them in every strategic location. They are just the hired assassins of the European nation states. This is their duty. They spread a fake disturbance and fear among people to put you in a position to get down on your knees and wait for your so-called "savior", the EU.

Btw, most ridicules aspect in their statements are this thing called "European identity". I mean. Whatta hell is this??? I still couldn't find a single person in the world who can logically explain this to me. Well, no one can because there is no such a thing called "European identity". It has no base, no value, no logic, no history, no purpose, no proof, nothing at all! It sounds like a dream of a dirty and naked hippy under the effect of LSD in a Woodstock concert at 1968.

[Risto the Great]

Well done Onur.
I would say Turkey is an expert on this matter as it has the world's oldest carrot dangling in front of it in relation to the EU.

How do Turks feel about Turkish Diaspora organisations advocating "EU at any cost"?

[makedonche]

And I thought the Greeks had run out of bags of cash to influence the media! Here is more evidence of garbage journalism to sway public opinion in favour of the crumbling EU. I would much rather have seen a pro's and con's of joining the EU article rather than this subjective one sided view of how macedonia needs to join the EU. I think you may be onto something here Onur, the part about drugs is definitely applicable to this moron.

[Onur]

I would say Turkey is an expert on this matter as it has the world's oldest carrot dangling in front of it in relation to the EU.

How do Turks feel about Turkish Diaspora organisations advocating "EU at any cost"?

Yes, we really are experts on these cheap tactics and ridicules articles about EU but hopefully the EU`s carrot for us has rotten over 20+ years, they couldn't renew their carrot, so it`s not that attractive for Turkish people anymore


Yes we got Turkish diaspora organizations who intensely advocates EU to us. The head members of them are EU parliamentarians elected from Bulgaria, Germany, Belgium etc. as representing Turkish minority. Unfortunately most of them are just brainwashed people like the author of this article about Macedonia. They still have some support in our media but most of people dislike their opinions and most importantly, we never lost our firm and rightful position about Cyprus and other issues with Greece.

Already, most of people here never accepts to obey unjust Greek demands even if you offer all the richness and prosperity of EU on a golden plate to them(if there is any left). Otherwise we couldn't manage to keep republic of northern Cyprus alive for 30+ years all by ourselves, opposing to the whole EU.

[Frank]

The author will read the posted comments copy and paste your efforts here, there they are perfect.

[Prolet]

His only argument is that "small countries need big friends"...

Dont wary Vangelovski, Uncle Sam will watch over our backs. :-)

[Prolet]

Second grader tactics by EU/Greece over name
Wednesday, 16 June 2010

Greece has continued with their see through tactics in regards to the name negotiations. First via Athens media several 'name balloons' were sent in the air to feel Macedonia's pulse, only to be followed by statements from the Greece Deputy FM Droutsas that "Macedonia and Greece have never been closer in reaching an agreement".

In reality, Macedonia and Greece had never been further apart than today, particularly at a time when there are litigations between the two nations at the Hague.


Earlier today, EU's Zoran Taler repeated a statement previously said by Droutsas that Macedonia did not wish to negotiate rather was only pretending to negotiate. Ironically, the Macedonian Government over a year ago accused Greece of doing just that.

Zoran Taler may be the perfect example of what the EU is all about. He is Slovenian, but when he arrives in Macedonia, he seems to have no nationality. According to Mr. Taler Macedonia should change the name, and he sees no reason why not do it. Macedonia can simply drink the poison offered by Greece as a 'fair settlement'.

You can not be sensitive or have common sense and work for the EU, apparently.

It becomes more than apparent, the Eurocrats have picked Macedonia as their ultimate test. Removing, erasing someones nationality would be a brilliant accomplishment not for Greece, but for the EU. The EU is simply using Greece for its goal. In 1957 when the "European Economic Community" was established in Rome, the main goal was (yes, back in 1957) to create a United States of Europe which will have no nationalities, rather everyone would be "European". The original 1957 treaty was followed by 14 other treaties bringing the Eurocrats (Europe's Royal Families) to their ultimate goal: One country, one centralized tax office = trillions of $.

Erasing someones nationality and identity is no small feat. Which is why the EU had picked the Balkan peninsula (Macedonia) for it. The most difficult/troubled place in Europe, where nationality and identity mean the world to each small nation. According to the EU, if they can do it there, they can easily do it to the rest of Europe via a new 'Treaty' that will stretch 15,000 pages which EU members will blindly sign, just as they did the Lisbon Treaty. Athens Parliament signed the treaty before Brussels managed to send it. Why not, wasn't the Eurocrats (German & French Royals) who installed their own Monarchs, Princes and presidents in Greece for 200 years?

Macedonia wasn't that 'lucky' to be an artificially created and managed country like Greece was, which explains the challenges today.

Stay tuned. //Pero Stamatovski

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/15434/1/

[Big Bad Sven]

What a dumb article, Macedonia and the Macedonians have been called many things but I have never heard of us as a “project”. Is this guy towing the “greek” and Bulgarian slav line that we are “created”?

For a supposed “expert” on the Balkans this guy knows f_ck all about Macedonia and the Macedonians.

It sounds more like a PR stunt to promote this new artificially created nationality of “European” and how good it is. Funny how this moron calls us a “project” when the artificially European Union (more like empire) is the only project here.

If he has tried to make Macedonians “jealous” and want to join the “special club” that is the EU then he has failed miserably.

[Big Bad Sven]

Second grader tactics by EU/Greece over name
Wednesday, 16 June 2010

Greece has continued with their see through tactics in regards to the name negotiations. First via Athens media several 'name balloons' were sent in the air to feel Macedonia's pulse, only to be followed by statements from the Greece Deputy FM Droutsas that "Macedonia and Greece have never been closer in reaching an agreement".

In reality, Macedonia and Greece had never been further apart than today, particularly at a time when there are litigations between the two nations at the Hague.


Earlier today, EU's Zoran Taler repeated a statement previously said by Droutsas that Macedonia did not wish to negotiate rather was only pretending to negotiate. Ironically, the Macedonian Government over a year ago accused Greece of doing just that.

Zoran Taler may be the perfect example of what the EU is all about. He is Slovenian, but when he arrives in Macedonia, he seems to have no nationality. According to Mr. Taler Macedonia should change the name, and he sees no reason why not do it. Macedonia can simply drink the poison offered by Greece as a 'fair settlement'.

You can not be sensitive or have common sense and work for the EU, apparently.

It becomes more than apparent, the Eurocrats have picked Macedonia as their ultimate test. Removing, erasing someones nationality would be a brilliant accomplishment not for Greece, but for the EU. The EU is simply using Greece for its goal. In 1957 when the "European Economic Community" was established in Rome, the main goal was (yes, back in 1957) to create a United States of Europe which will have no nationalities, rather everyone would be "European". The original 1957 treaty was followed by 14 other treaties bringing the Eurocrats (Europe's Royal Families) to their ultimate goal: One country, one centralized tax office = trillions of $.

Erasing someones nationality and identity is no small feat. Which is why the EU had picked the Balkan peninsula (Macedonia) for it. The most difficult/troubled place in Europe, where nationality and identity mean the world to each small nation. According to the EU, if they can do it there, they can easily do it to the rest of Europe via a new 'Treaty' that will stretch 15,000 pages which EU members will blindly sign, just as they did the Lisbon Treaty. Athens Parliament signed the treaty before Brussels managed to send it. Why not, wasn't the Eurocrats (German & French Royals) who installed their own Monarchs, Princes and presidents in Greece for 200 years?

Macedonia wasn't that 'lucky' to be an artificially created and managed country like Greece was, which explains the challenges today.

Stay tuned. //Pero Stamatovski

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/15434/1/

Very good article.

It seems the EU is supporting Grease in changing the name and identity of the macedonians not to please grease, but to erase macedonian culture and nationalism and replace it with a boring and artificial "european" nationalism and "way of life".

The EU is truely the culture killer, hopefully macedonia never joins this evil cult.

Going back to the original article funny how the author doesnt mention failed states within the EU such as Grease, Spain, Portugal, Romania and Bulgaria. Funny how he doesnt mention how small non EU countries like Montenegroe are just doing fine with out the EU. But then again it wasnt a news article, more like a arrogant sales pitch for EU membership.

[julie]

Dont wary Vangelovski, Uncle Sam will watch over our backs. :-)

Prolet, are you serious?

And what a piece of journalistic rubbish by a Grease supporter
The EU is crumbling
and no friend to Macedonia

[johnMKD]

Yes, I agree, julie. EU is no friend to Macedonia and that's obvious. It's a just a means of blackmailing and eradication of cultures.

However, have you guys seen this article of BalkanInsight? http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/28745/

Name Deal Close, Greek Media Say
"There has been renewed speculation that Greece and Macedonia are close to solving their name spat by using a name that includes Macedonia’s biggest river, Vardar, as a geographical determinant to distinguish the state from the Greek northern province, Greek media say.

“It appears that the two countries are set to agree on the name of the Vardar River being used to differentiate the Republic of Macedonia from the region in northern Greece by the same name,” Sunday’s edition of the Greek newspaper Kathimerini says, citing unnamed sources.

The newspaper also cites western diplomats as saying that they have noticed visible progress in negotiations since last year when the prime ministers of the two neighboring countries launched a series of direct meetings.

Since Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou came to power in the autumn of 2009, he and his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski have held several brief face to face meetings. No specific details of the talks have been made public.

There has been no reaction by Greek or Macedonian officials to the most recent claims of a possible name deal.

Kathimerini backs its story with last year’s statement by Risto Nikovski, an advisor to the Macedonian President Georgi Ivanov, that one possible compromise name would be the Republic of Macedonia (Vardar) that would differentiate between the state and the Greek province of Macedonia and at the same time would not require Skopje to change its constitution.

The UN mediator in the 18 year long name dispute, US diplomat Matthew Nimetz, held his last round of name talks in February. Media then mentioned the possibility that both countries might agree to the name Republic of Northern Macedonia, but that has not yet happened.

However, Nimetz’s office insists that he “is in very frequent contact with both parties”, as UN Deputy Spokesman Ari Gaitanis said last week.

Athens and Skopje are locked in a dispute over the use of the name Macedonia. Athens fears that Skopje’s official name, Republic of Macedonia implies territorial claims against its own northern province with the same name.

In 2008 Athens effectively blocked Skopje’s NATO accession over the name row, and made a similar move last year to stop Skopje from getting a date for the start of its EU accession talks."

And finally, I don't think Turkey is related to the first article. This was about "small countries needing big friends" and Turkey definitely is not small to need big friends. They can handle it very well by themselves, outside the culture-consuming EU.

[Risto the Great]

And finally, I don't think Turkey is related to the first article. This was about "small countries needing big friends" and Turkey definitely is not small to need big friends. They can handle it very well by themselves, outside the culture-consuming EU.

Good point. Of course you are correct in relation to the size issue. But c'mon, the EU is using the same bait for Turkey as it is for Macedonia or any other aspiring country. It is the promise of all things being fixed and unlimited opportunities .... just sign away your sovereignty.

[Onur]

And finally, I don't think Turkey is related to the first article. This was about "small countries needing big friends" and Turkey definitely is not small to need big friends. They can handle it very well by themselves, outside the culture-consuming EU.

Yes John, it`s so ridicules to say that to us but this has been told to us lots of times. If we counter this argument with your assertion then they claim that we are living in a globalization age and you cannot keep up with the world by all alone with your nation or they say that the idea of nations belongs to the 20th century and you gotta be part of EU to continue to live, blah blah and crap like that.

I don't know for certain but i am quite sure that this exact same debates has been done in Bulgaria, Romania and in others too before they joined to the EU.