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Originally posted by Mikail View PostGood question Buktop. We keep such evidence on a role that we keep in the toilet!
Originally posted by Risto the GreatOf course I do, it is here in my back pocket. And a little birdie taps on my window every hour to keep me updated.
Originally posted by Risto the GreatYou are the one who denies much about the big money flying around the USA in all things Turkish. I gave you a bloody good example and suggest it would not be unreasonable to want to know why US$30 million dropped by 95% the following year. CIA .... who knows?
I have now said multiple times, ask TCA why their donations fell. I have given multiple options as to why and how their collections were so tremendous their first year of foundation, but until someone asks TCA we won't know. If you all are too afraid to ask them I will do so myself...
Originally posted by Risto the GreatWho would have thought the following description meant to say "we are drug dealing, nuclear terrorists funded by the CIA looking to scam some land out of Iraq ... or something":The American-Turkish Council (ATC) was created in 1994 as the U.S.-based counterpart to the Turkish-U.S. Business Council, a "bilateral business council" that aims to foster commercial relations between the United States and Turkey. It grew out of the "consolidation of the Turkish desk of the U.S. Chamber [of Commerce] with the American Friends of Turkey." (1, 2)
According to its web site, "As one of the leading business associations in the United States, the American-Turkish Council (ATC) is dedicated to effectively strengthening U.S.-Turkish relations through the promotion of commercial, defense, technology, and cultural relations. Its diverse membership includes Fortune 500, U.S. and Turkish companies, multinationals, nonprofit organizations, and individuals with an interest in U.S.-Turkish relations. Guided by member interests, ATC strives to enhance the growing ties between the United States and Turkey by initiating and facilitating efforts to increase investment and trade between the two countries." (2)
There are many different reasons that could explain the money, each of which more plausible and realistic than the conspiracy theory that Vangelovski has concocted."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostThe sheer number of Turkish organizations listed on the website should speak to the number of actual Turkish residents of the US. Do you think such a small community would need that many organizations? I actually just double checked your supposed number and you are mistaken about the number, the 2006 number is 170,000 turks in the US (http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...T_G2000_B04003)
And the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History estimates up to 500,000 turks in the US... Where did you get 117k again?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by osiris View Postbuktop can you name a few more macedonian organizations who are being so generously funded by non macedonian sources.
Buktop,
I made no allegations, I'm merely putting it out there as one of many possibilities. I could be wrong, but the figures, US Government practice and UMD policy alignment with the State Department suggests that there could be some truth to the theory that UMD has in fact recieved some form of funding from the US Government.
I notice that UMD revenue was only $40,000 in 2008 (source is PDF and I'm happy to email or PM as it seems I cannot post it here). How on earth has UMD, even with the $50,000 per annum funding from TCA, managed to pay Meto a full-time salary, send him on a number of international roadshows and host global conferences (amongst actual charitable activities)?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostYour link is to an estimate of numbers in between censuses. My figure came from the actual 2000 census (Download the Excel table with raw data here http://www.census.gov/population/www...y/anc2000.html). The Encyclopedia of Cleveland History can estimate as much as it likes. The fact is only 117,000 Americans identified themselves as Turks and that includes respondents who identified "Turkish" as a secondary identity.
I would also trust the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History to have done a bit more research into the topic than you or I have."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by osiris View Postbuktop can you name a few more macedonian organizations who are being so generously funded by non macedonian sources."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostAnd I trust the census bureau to know how to conduct a preliminary inter census estimation. The data displayed represents a 90% margin of error, meaning 90% accurate, and the upper and lower extremes of the estimation have been provided. This is direct data being published by the actual census bureau. They even provided their survey methods in a PDF at the bottom of the page.
I would also trust the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History to have done a bit more research into the topic than you or I have.
Let's accept the 170,000 figure - its still a tiny minority.
I don't think the Encyclopeadia of Cleveleand History has "done more research" than the US Census Bureau, which has conducted an actual CENSUS.
Further, you don't trust the US Census Bureau to conduct a census, yet you trust the TCA enough to "tell us why they gave UMD the money". That's like asking Meto whether he supports a name change - he'll give you a slap on the back and tell you what you want to hear. Instead, how about providing ONE reason as to why a newly incorporated organisation would provide that much funding to an new organisation from another ethnic community?Last edited by Vangelovski; 05-25-2010, 05:55 AM.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
Buktop,
I made no allegations, I'm merely putting it out there as one of many possibilities. I could be wrong, but the figures, US Government practice and UMD policy alignment with the State Department suggests that there could be some truth to the theory that UMD has in fact recieved some form of funding from the US Government.
Nonprofits having a 501(c)(3) status with the IRS, other than institutions of higher education qualify for receiving government grants. Organizations may apply for government grants, that does not mean that the government gets to stipulate the grantee's policy.
I do agree that it could be a possibility, but then again it could be one of a million more plausible explanations that I would be willing to consider. The fact is, there is no proof, and from what I can tell, it isn't very realistic. As I said before, if you do not wish to contact TCA about the discrepancy, I would be more than willing to write them an e-mail.
I notice that UMD revenue was only $40,000 in 2008 (source is PDF and I'm happy to email or PM as it seems I cannot post it here). How on earth has UMD, even with the $50,000 per annum funding from TCA, managed to pay Meto a full-time salary, send him on a number of international roadshows and host global conferences (amongst actual charitable activities)?"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by OziMak View PostSoM my answer Prolet Buktop ect was very tong in cheek. As for pogroms I have a very dry sense of humor and have to always check myself as many have said to me it is sometimes hard to tell when im joking and when im not.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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