Macedonian Church Dispute in Australia

[Rogi]

I am unaware of the thievery you are referring to, I haven't seen any such convictions of thievery, so of course I cannot comment on your allegation.

But that's not related to a discussion about a statement against church-goers gambling after the Church service, and whether that is the case, or whether it is in fact just a social outing for the pensioners which may have been grossly misrepresented by the Bishop.


Has anyone else got their biometric passport? There have only been 220 or so applications here in Victoria, during this period since it was announced that they can be applied for at the Consulate.

[Bij]

I am unaware of the thievery you are referring to, I haven't seen any such convictions of thievery, so of course I cannot comment on your allegation.

But that's not related to a discussion about a statement against church-goers gambling after the Church service, and whether that is the case, or whether it is in fact just a social outing for the pensioners which may have been grossly misrepresented by the Bishop.


Has anyone else got their biometric passport? There have only been 220 or so applications here in Victoria, during this period since it was announced that they can be applied for at the Consulate.

what does one need to apply?

[Soldier of Macedon]

I am unaware of the thievery you are referring to.......

You don't agree that this man has utilised church funds for personal use that parishioners have donated? I've never asked before, are you a Vladika supporter?

But that's not related to a discussion about a statement against church-goers gambling after the Church service......

At least it's in relation to the person making the claim and the matter being discussed, which is money. Explain to me again, how exactly are biometric passports related to this discussion overall, other than indirectly tying into Petar's air tours at the parishioners' expense?

[DIMO]

This so called bishop has cost the Macedonian community millions of dollars, and he has the nerve to comment on what pensioners do with their own time and money, what a joke. If it was up to me he would never set foot in australia again. RAZKOLNIK RASIPAN.

[julie]

The Macedonian pensioners in Australia have earned their rights as hardworking taxpayers citizens of this country to get together and socialise and the the bloody well what they want to do without some overseas "bishop" that is more interested in lining his own pockets.

Will he try and sue for that too? How dare he judge our stari here

[sf.]

I saw the video and he's not necessarily having a go at the pensioners themselves. He stated that gambling is increasingly becoming a problem for many, as reported to him. The video doesn't show the question posed to him, nor the context of his argument.

If people want to have a go at him, go ahead, but do it for the right reasons. Not based on the initial presentation here.

[The LION will ROAR]

Maybe he should be more concern about the young Macedonian generation that gamble.. the Macedonian pensioners have and will always be careful with their money...
you are lucky to get a Macedonian pensioner to put more then $20.00 in the pokies..

[julie]

Maybe he should mind his own business with the monies he has pocketed here from suing communities over those pensioners

[Prolet]

I've never asked before, are you a Vladika supporter?

You're putting him on the spot here mate, theres no need to make him feel uncomfortable. Who he supports is his business not ours.

[Rogi]

sf. pretty much summed up what I was trying to get at.

[Rogi]

I don't like to label, divide or ostracise Macedonians as supporters of one position on the church dispute over another, nor do I feel that every Macedonian, including myself, can be pigeonholed with the labels being used.

[aleksandrov]

Risto, Bishop Petar says that after a liturgija the Penzioneri get buses from the churches and go straight to the Casino.



http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=8...9C00024CB9198C

You are giving this banal statement more attention than it deserves, Prolet. Petar just feels a need to show the Macedonian public that he's taken a positive interest in the Macedonian Australian community during one of those semi-covert visits that are necessary to keep his campaign for usurping our communities' properties and income-generating capacity going. And he's obviously running out of ideas to keep the Macedonian media interested in him.

[aleksandrov]

SOM, He was in Australia last week with Pero Stojanovski about the Makedonski Pasosi. It was on the informator website.

Prolet,

Please don't put Petar in the same basket as the Ambassador, Pero Stojanovski, who is quite a generous, considerate, humble and intelligent man. The Ambassador is here permanently. He met with Petar as part of his advocacy for Macedonian passports, just like he has met with many other people who could have some influence on our community in that regard.

[Prolet]

Aleksandrov, SOM asked me when Bishop Petar is coming to Australia and i simply gave him a response.


The Macedonian Embassy has hardly done anything to try to solve the church dispute, Grujo himself said that he doesnt interfere with church affairs so whats so good about Pero Stojanovski? Maybe he's good to have a chat with and i can give him some credit with the passports but other then that he's hardly done anything for our people here.

[Soldier of Macedon]

You're putting him on the spot here mate, theres no need to make him feel uncomfortable. Who he supports is his business not ours.

Was I asking you? If he feels uncomfortable about answering then let him say it himself, understand? Go back to speaking on behalf of Gruevski and Meto.

I don't like to label, divide or ostracise Macedonians as supporters of one position on the church dispute over another, nor do I feel that every Macedonian, including myself, can be pigeonholed with the labels being used.

Fine, pretend you're not in a pigeonhole. You said you were unaware of the thievery I was referring to with regard to Petar, so I then asked you if you agree (or not) that this man has utilised church funds for personal use that parishioners have donated. You're familiar with the situation, and it's a simple question. Do you or not?