Macedonian Church Dispute in Australia

[aleksandrov]

Bij, is this the priest from Sv Petka? Is there a Maso church in Roseberry? I know of one in Liverpool and Cabramatta.

Mikail,

Yes, Mitko Mitrev once served as a priest with the Macedonian Orthodox Church Community "Sv. Petka" in Rockdale, where he was fired for taking money from the church without legal authority and sending it to Bishop Petar in Melbourne, under Petar's direction. He now conducts services in a protestant i.e. Uniting Church of Australia parish on Fredrick Street in Rockdale. According to an interpretation of the Orthodox Holy Canons that's been published with Archbishop Stefan's blessing, attending services in a non-Orthodox parish is HERESY, but that doesn't seem to matter much to Petar and his priests when money and power are at stake. Mitrev has no problem singing on the graves of people whose funeral services have been conducted in our churches in Cabramatta and Rosebery, as long as he gets his 'bakshish'. The idea behind not recognizing baptisms and wedding ceremonies performed at Rosebery and Cabramatta is to coerce people into re-baptizing their children or re-marrying in Petar's churches, which means more payments for baptisms and wedding services. But they don't apply the same principle when it comes to the graves of people whose funerals have been performed at our parishes, as they can't exactly try and convince the families of the deceased to redo the funeral service, so there is no money to be made there - only money to be lost by refusing to sing on graves of people whose funerals were conducted at our parishes.

The Macedonian Orthodox Community of Sydney operates two churches - "Sv. Kiril i Metodi" in Rosebery and "Sv. Nikola" in Cabramatta. "Sv. Kiril i Metodi" is the oldest and largest Macedonian Orthodox church in NSW.

[indigen]

Bij,
Indigen, How many Bishops are there? I dont think i know Gorazd which region is he in?

Stefan,Petar,Timotej,Agatangel,Naum,Kiril and Metodija they are the ones i know. Who took Zoran Vraniskovski's spot? He was the Bishop for the Veles region i think.

Listen, IMO, you post too many posts and most with little substance and value to the rest of us on MTO. You joined months after I and have 5x more posts than me. Secondly, please learn to quote properly and don't reply with a question when someone else asks you something.

As it is, I only replied to your post because I was sick of seeing a lie or an UNTRUTH being repeated by you about how Petar was a very senior figure in MPC-OA and that he only missed out by one vote in becoming the Archbishop when in fact he was eliminated in the preliminary ballot and WAS NOT EVEN IN THE FINAL CONTEST. FYI, Bishop Timotej was runner up, by one vote, and Bishop Gorazd was 3rd.

All the info on the 1999 election of Stefan as Archbishop at following link: http://moc-stmary-la.com/stefan-20.htm

Lastly, you should learn to ADMIT/acknowledge when you are wrong or don't know something!

So pochit,
I.

[Mikail]

Bij, I met some people from the Liverpool church back in Jan. One guy in particular wanted to slit my throat when I told him we were going to Sv. Nedela, Gold Coast for Xmas. This guy is in the committee at Liverpool & is a nasty piece of work.

Tell me what did your nieces parents say to the priest when he spoke such vile rubbish? I hope they told him to go to hell & never step foot back in that church again.

[julie]

Bij, that is disgusting to say to a child, how dare he what a piece of work! And this is a child christened in a Macedonian church, regardless of which one.

The child should have kicked and taken out his knee caps and told him that comes from the devil!

More and more what I am hearing am utterly disgusted with the conduct of so called priests in the Macedonian church, Petar is making sure the next generation look elsewhere.

The priest that called the angel a devil, I would have walked up to him and probably poured the wine over his head, that is not how to embrace our younger Aussie born Maso children into the church

PETAR and the PRIESTS and FOLLOWERS that condone this behaviour to small children can go and screw themselves

[Mikail]

Mikail,

Yes, Mitko Mitrev once served as a priest with the Macedonian Orthodox Church Community "Sv. Petka" in Rockdale, where he was fired for taking money from the church without legal authority and sending it to Bishop Petar in Melbourne, under Petar's direction.

Intersting

He now conducts services in a protestant i.e. Uniting Church of Australia parish on Fredrick Street in Rockdale.

Same deal in Adelaide

According to an interpretation of the Orthodox Holy Canons that's been published with Archbishop Stefan's blessing, attending services in a non-Orthodox parish is HERESY, but that doesn't seem to matter much to Petar and his priests when money and power are at stake.

Yes you are quite right. As I've said before, the church taketh with one hand and the church taketh with the other.

Mitrev has no problem singing on the graves of people whose funeral services have been conducted in our churches in Cabramatta and Rosebery, as long as he gets his 'bakshish'.

Of course not. Petar needs all the money he can lay his hands on.

The idea behind not recognizing baptisms and wedding ceremonies performed at Rosebery and Cabramatta is to coerce people into re-baptizing their children or re-marrying in Petar's churches, which means more payments for baptisms and wedding services.

Yes, I do know a couple here Alexandrov, who told me something similar. They are members of the Sv Ilija community and the "Pop" there told them something along these lines as they were married at Sv Gjorgi I do believe.

You know.... I just don't get WHY intelligent & educated people can be so stupid when it comes to this issue. It is so easy nowadays to access all kinds of information, yet there are those who are quite willing to blindly follow.

Only time will tell. These people don't want to hear about how many Vladici came before Petar and that Petar will not be the last. They are willing to lay all on the line for Petar..... and for what? He is one wealthy and powerful individual. I still say he is Karavangelis re-incarnated.

[Prolet]

Indigen, My apologies to you i thought that Bishop Petar lost by one vote and i recall him being very pissed off with the Election. I got no problem admitting that i made the wrong call, this is going back over 10 years now so i didnt recall exactly what happened.

[Bij]

Bij, I met some people from the Liverpool church back in Jan. One guy in particular wanted to slit my throat when I told him we were going to Sv. Nedela, Gold Coast for Xmas. This guy is in the committee at Liverpool & is a nasty piece of work.

Tell me what did your nieces parents say to the priest when he spoke such vile rubbish? I hope they told him to go to hell & never step foot back in that church again.

They weren't there, she was with her grandparents who just collected the kid and left bewildered.

Since this and other incidents relating to priests from these churches, I have stopped being impartial and refuse to attend any services at these churches including weddings and funerals.

I have NEVER EVER EVER been more disgruntled in my life. if the community macedonian churches failed to exist tomorrow then i'll fucking join the russian orthodox church before i'd give a cent to these fuckwits who are brainwashing and bullying people in to joining a cult. fucking scientology is an option before these scumbags are.

/rant

[julie]

Bij, I understand where you are coming from
Petar if he was a REAL man of the cloth would have been unifying his flock, the Macedonian people are divided enough without having his materialistic aspirations been thrust at them and brainwashing them.

Its a farce and a joke and all he will go down in history for is his money grabbing, how disgusting suing his own people for the titles of churches they built themselves. wha a joke.

And am still so angry with that stupid pathetic excuse for a priest for what he said to the little girl
What a moron, that is not a man of God, nor is Petar, GOING AGAINST the commandments and what Jesus preached

Pozdrav sestro

[Prolet]

Bishop Petar has a go at Macedonian Pensioners in Australia

http://sitel.com.mk/video/makedonija/vladikata-petar-za-avstraliskata-eparhija

[Risto the Great]

Because they play pokies instead of funding his personal empire?

[Prolet]

Risto, Bishop Petar says that after a liturgija the Penzioneri get buses from the churches and go straight to the Casino.

Македонските пензионери во Австралија, по завршувањето на литургиите, пред црквите биле собирани од страна на организатори од пензионерски друштва и ги носеле во казина, спортски обложувалници и на други места за забава и брза заработувачка.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=89CDBFE3B1BBDE45A99C00024CB9198C

[Soldier of Macedon]

Vladika Petar, zaginise od Makedonskiot narod kako drugite predavnici. I can't wait until the next time you come to Australia, in fact, I am looking forward to it.

[Prolet]

SOM, He was in Australia last week with Pero Stojanovski about the Makedonski Pasosi. It was on the informator website.

[Bij]

Because they play pokies instead of funding his personal empire?

exactly!!

someone needs to pay for petars illegitimate children

[Soldier of Macedon]

I wasn't aware, that's a shame. Prolet, you seem to be in tight with Petar, when is this moron making a return trip, and does he intend to go to any of the churches in Victoria?