The Macedonian Minority in Bulgaria

[VMRO]

Why is he still around?

I was watching the Macedonian news last night and they had Ljubco on channel 22 News.

Apparently he (Narodna Partija) is linked to to billboards popping up in Macedonia which read "Stop the Serbian assimilation of Macedonia).

http://www.rtv.rs/sr_ci/region/antisrpski-bilbordi-u-skoplju_564635.html

[vicsinad]

"Stop the Serbian assimilation of Macedonia).

...and replace it with Bulgarian assimilation!

[Volokin]

Skopje. Expert teams of the Bulgarian and Macedonian foreign ministries have negotiated the final text of the proposed agreement on good neighbourly relations, Macedonian online news edition Telegraf comments.
According to it, it is expected the document will be signed in a short time. Unnamed sources said the content of the agreement was familiar and both sides agreed to making certain concessions during the talks. According to unofficial information, Bulgaria will not insist on joint marking of historical dates, such as the Ilinden Uprising, and each of the countries will decide when to invite a delegation from the other. The only date, the joint marking of which has led to no dilemmas, is Saints Cyril and Methodius' Day. The concession Macedonia granted is that the agreement will not mention the OMO “Ilinden“ organisation and a Macedonian minority. The OMO “Ilinden“ – PIRIN organisation stated it [the agreement] was harmful to Macedonia and should not be signed as Skopje would thus agree there was no Macedonian minority in Bulgaria. According to Svetoslav Terziev, political analyst from Sofia, it is important both countries ink the agreement as soon as possible as it is clear Bulgaria would not like to place obstacles along Macedonia’s road to EU membership. Telegraf writes after all items are agreed, it is expected the document will be signed by the Presidents or foreign ministers of the two countries.

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2015/02/23/364097/telegraf-working-groups-of-bulgaria-macedonia-negotiate-text-of-agreement-on-good-neighbourly-relations.html

Skopje. The European Commission sent an “indecent answer” to the European Free Alliance on the question concerning the problems of the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria. The Commission reported it was familiar with the problems, but it was unable to solve them, commented the Macedonian electronic edition MKD.
In other words, the EC told the Macedonians that live in this EU member-state: “there is nothing we can do”, pointed the edition. The European Free Alliance sent a request letter to the EC in October last year, concerning the registration of OMO Ilinden PIRIN.
This political party represents the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria and it was forbidden in 2000 by the Constitutional Court. The ban is still valid today, despite the decision of the European Court of Human Rights in Strasburg, the edition further commented.

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2015/02/06/362499/mkd-macedonia-ec-announced-it-cannot-aid-the-registration-of-omo-ilinden-pirin.html

[vicsinad]

"Okay, okay...we won't insist on joint holiday celebrations if you stop claiming there are Macedonians in Bulgaria."

Great negotiation.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Dimitar Blagoev, who was he?

I have recently begun looking into the Bulgarian politician Dimitar Blagoev of which Blagoevgrad (Gorna Dzumaja) and the surrounding province (Pirin Macedonia) are named after. He was born in the Kosturski village of Zagorichani in Aegean Macedonia in 1856. He was a prominant socialist in Bulgarian politics and was the founder of the Socialist Party. He supported the creation of a communist Balkan Federation and in front of the Bulgarian parliament in 1917, declared himself a "Macedonian Slav" and apparently saw the creation of a Balkan Federation as the only way to assure Macedonian freedom. He allegedly also stated he was not Bulgarian but Macedonian and that his village was a famous Macedonian one. The information on Dimitar is quite conflicting and confusing, so I have begun this thread to discuss and share information on him so that a clearer image may be painted. I have included links to some sources I looked at also:

https://archive.is/20130630024606/my.opera.com/ancientmacedonia/blog/show.dml/1212234

http://www.protobulgarians.com/Saavremennti%20temi/Dimitaar%20Blagoev%20-%20Dyadoto.htm

[Karposh]

When Dimitar Blagoev made his famous “I am not a Bulgarian, I am a Macedonian, a Macedonian Slav” declaration in the Bulgarian parliament, the significance of his statement, coming as it did at a time when Macedonia had just been partitioned and the Macedonians subjected to cultural genocide by their “heroic” Christian Orthodox brothers, can’t be overstated enough.

In 1917, Blagoev was just another Macedonian amongst hundreds of thousands of other Macedonians who arrived in Bulgaria in two main waves. The first wave of Macedonian emigration occurred decades earlier, when they arrived as economic migrants while, at the same time, escaping the misery that was the Ottoman Empire. The second wave occurred during the terrible events of 1912/1913. To me, Blagoev is representative of most Macedonians in Bulgaria at that time. But there is nothing unique about his sense of Macedonian identity. Most Macedonians in Bulgaria would have shared his sentiments.

With no Macedonia to call their home, Macedonians had chosen the lesser of the three evils that surrounded them to escape to. But in essence they remained Macedonians and not for a single moment did they consider themselves to be Bulgarians. The documents of the time always speak of Macedonians in Bulgaria and never Bulgarian refugees from Macedonia.

There has always been the term Macedonians to describe the people hailing from the territory of Macedonia that chose to live in Bulgaria. However, I have yet to see or hear of any credible evidence to suggest that Bulgarians also refer (or have referred) to themselves regionally as Moesians, Eastern Rumelians or Thracians. Bulgarians want to convince people of the geographic/regional nature of the term “Macedonian”. They want people everywhere to believe that it is no different to Bulgarians feeling local regional pride in hailing from Eastern Rumelia, Moesia or Thrace (whatever it is that “Thrace” means and encompasses in the Bulgarian mind). Fact is, if a Bulgarian feels that he or she is Bulgarian then they will tell you as much. It doesn’t matter what region of Bulgaria they are from, they are Bulgarian. No Bulgarian ever says they are Eastern Rumelian, Moesian or Thracian. That is utter nonsense…But they will tell you they are Macedonian.

No one knows exactly how many Macedonians settled in Bulgaria over the last two or so centuries and how many there are today with origins from Macedonia. Well over half (if not more) of the total population of Bulgaria might well have ancestral links to Macedonia. How many of these actually feel themselves to be Macedonian is impossible to say.
It has been well documented that disgruntled Bulgarian contemporaries of the time resented the fact that the newly arrived Macedonians were competing with them for local jobs. Much of the following information is taken from Macedonian Wikipedia and I will make an attempt to translate for our non-Macedonian members of this forum.

About 430 (33%) from a total of 1,289 Officers were from Macedonia. 15,000 (43%) from 35,000 public servants originated from Macedonia, while 1,262 (37%) from 3,412 Exarchate priests were from Macedonia. “The Bulgarian by birth is in conflict with the Macedonian who is competing for his services”. Quote is referenced in Macedonian Wikipedia.

The Macedonian question in Bulgaria was not only political but economic. Because of this Bulgarians appealed for the Macedonians to be given reforms, autonomy, a monarchy or a republic, it didn’t matter, as long as they returned back to their own land. They were “the united cries of all Bulgarian parties”. Quote is referenced in Macedonian Wikipedia.

A good insight of the Macedonians’ place and role in Bulgaria is given by the following account. A certain Bulgarian merchant from Solun, Atanas Shopov is discussing the Macedonians with the Salonika Valiya, Hasan-Fehmi Pasha in the beginning of 1904, when the Valiya asks Shopov “if the Macedonians are still causing trouble in Bulgaria” to which Shopov replies “ How can they not cause trouble pasha effendi when the bigger part of the Macedonian population is in Bulgaria, the greater portion of the population of Sofia is Macedonian, a big portion of the officers in the army are Macedonians, a big part of the esteemed establishment are Macedonians and, the whole Macedonian intelligentsia from Macedonia is in Bulgaria. Even the crowds in the streets are Macedonian”.

When the Turkish Valiya tells Shopov that it sounds like the Macedonians have contributed important services for the Bulgarian people, Shopov responds: “Not only for the Bulgarian people but for the Greek people too…during the Greek rebellion. As you can see pasha effendi the role Macedonians have always played in the life of the Bulgarian people. They play an even bigger role now. We have even more reason than you to be aggrieved by the Macedonians because they have taken over our hold on power, they have taken our best positions and services, they have taken over our finances and cities, they have taken over our army and ministries, they have taken over our trade, they have taken over just about everything in Bulgaria…Save us from them in the name of God”

Quotes of this discussion between the Turkish Valiya from Solun and Shopov are referenced in Macedonian Wikipedia.

And then we have this gem, a recorded discussion from 1899 between two Macedonian activists in Bulgaria Kosta Shahov (from Ohrid) and Andrey Lyapchev (from Resen):
“But don’t you believe for one minute that the revolutionaries are working towards an autonomous Macedonia that would, in the end, be incorporated into Bulgaria. God Forbid! That will never be…All of us Macedonians, no matter where we are, no matter how educated we are, none will allow Macedonia to be incorporated into any other…Instead, we will work towards incorporating other provinces to her. We, the intelligentsia, were educated by the Russians, Romanians, Serbs and Bulgarians…However, none of us will become slaves to any of these and at any cost. Instead, they will immediately go to their own flock, as we too have done…We have a glorious element, and our people is resilient. And once Macedonia gains autonomy, then Bulgaria will sooner become Macedonian rather than Macedonia – Bulgarian. We have a real chance for that to occur…In Bulgaria, the highest positions are held by Macedonians…Without question, when the time comes, today’s notables, Macedonian by nationality, will come over to us and Bulgaria will be Macedonian…We believe this will be so sooner or later…Macedonia will be a state (Republican) and she will look towards drawing other states in a union as cantons and, that way, she will be a powerful country”. That was a quote by Kosta Shahov which is referenced in Macedonian Wikipedia.

Here is another Kosta Shahov quote, just another Macedonian in Bulgaria. In the newspaper “Makedonija” (#4, Ruse, 11/11/1888), the then 26 year old editor of the paper, Kosta Shahov writes: “Our fatherland Macedonia has her own history about her past, where one can see her might, glory, as well as her political subjugation under the rule of the then mighty Turkish Empire…Today, every Macedonian, when he mentions the name Aleksandar Makedonski, says: We once had King Alexander the Great. With those words he reminds oneself of the brightest period and glory of the Macedonian State. Aleksandar Makedonski stands before every Macedonian as national pride.”

This has been a lengthy post, I know, but there is much to say about that period. Finally, I want to wish everyone on this forum a very Happy Orthodox Easter and God bless. And now I’m off to Rockdale for midnight mass.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

You have provided some excellent information here Karposh. I never knew that Macedonians had such a profound impact in Bulgaria, might explain why the government carried out a policy of ethnic cleansing against us, not only in Pirin but in all of Bulgaria.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Hello, can someone clarify the exact origins of the Bulgarians please? I know Russia had a big hand in the creation of the Bulgarian nation in the late 19th century but that's about all I know.

[Miliket]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but have you guys ever looked from Bulgaria's perspective? They have a lot of proof compared to you guys... But all you "Macedonians" always respond to something that disprooves your "theories" with "IT'S FABRICATED!! WE'RE RIGHT!!" or something like that.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but have you guys ever looked from Bulgaria's perspective? They have a lot of proof compared to you guys... But all you "Macedonians" always respond to something that disprooves your "theories" with "IT'S FABRICATED!! WE'RE RIGHT!!" or something like that.

I think you're confusing us with our neighbours

[Soldier of Macedon]

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but have you guys ever looked from Bulgaria's perspective?

Oh, you mean like how Bulgarian chauvinists look at things from a Macedonian perspective where it concerns Macedonia? Give me a break. All of the nations in the Balkans have chequered periods in their history and only a fool would believe otherwise. But some delusional types that hail from Macedonia's neighbouring countries think they're immune to this. So, before you attempt to question Macedonian history, I suggest you first put Bulgarian history up for review and scrutiny to see how it measures up. You can start by providing a summary of that history from the inception of the Bulgars to the 9th century AD. Then prepare to defend it. Do you have the integrity to do that?

By the way, if you haven't yet read the rules, then read them. If you refer to Macedonians as anything but Macedonians, or if you place the Macedonian name or any of its derivative terms in quotation marks (i.e.; "Macedonians") again, you will be permanently banned. Don't mistake our courtesy for naivety.

[DraganOfStip]

Hello, can someone clarify the exact origins of the Bulgarians please? I know Russia had a big hand in the creation of the Bulgarian nation in the late 19th century but that's about all I know.

Bulgarians are a result of the mixture of several people.
The core people were the Bulgars (hence the name),a Turko-Mongoloid tribe that can be traced back all the way to Central Asia ( they are first mentioned in Chinese sources in the 2nd century b.c. as one of the peoples forming the federal empire Hsiung-Nu or the Huns), who then throughout the centuries migrated to the Balkans,absorbing many people on their way and eventually mixing with Slavs,Avars and indigenous peoples (mostly Thracians) that lived in the western balkans area.
Try finding the book "The origins of the contemporary Bulgarians" by Plamen Cvetkov for more info.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Try finding the book "The origins of the contemporary Bulgarians" by Plamen Cvetkov for more info.

Where could I find that book?

[DraganOfStip]

Where could I find that book?

You can try some libraries, all I could find online were quotes from it and not the complete book.
Try Googling it...

[vicsinad]

or if you place the Macedonian name or any of its derivative terms in quotation marks (i.e.; "Macedonians") again, you will be permanently banned. Don't mistake our courtesy for naivety.

I've seen this on the web a lot lately. "Macedonians."

Perhaps "Bulgarians" is more accurate, being that about 1/3 of the "Bulgarian" population is descended from Macedonian refugees of the late 19th and early 20th century.