Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Phoenix]

...US$2.5 million?
I reckon US$100 and a free lap dance would get some over the line. Who knows? Anything is possible in Severdonia.

The US$2.5 million sounds like bullshit, considering many could be bought for far less.

I reckon a carton of smokes would do the trick...

“What would it take...” is worthy of its own thread.

[Solun]

Fucken Judas's

Jess Baily handed over millions of Soros of dollars to get the current government into power. This agreement is the reason as to why those millions were spent. Whatever extra millions are required is loose change for Soros to get this over the line.

[Rogi]

LMAO at that list of MP's.

I can't imagine a scenario where Boris Zmejkovski supports changing the name. He's the one who put the true Macedonian flag in front of the new stadium in Skopje and refused to give orders to remove it when it was demanded of him, others had to go do it.

[Risto the Great]

Yet there wasn't a peep out of any of them in our darkest times of the referendum. I say all of them are whores until they they are prepared to sacrifice something right now. Which means infiltrating other DPmNE leaders in order to see who will become turncoats.

The biggest UDBA became the "best" Macedonians. Time will tell soon enough what the DPmNE whores do to shame Macedonians.

[Phoenix]

LMAO at that list of MP's.

I can't imagine a scenario where Boris Zmejkovski supports changing the name. He's the one who put the true Macedonian flag in front of the new stadium in Skopje and refused to give orders to remove it when it was demanded of him, others had to go do it.

Sounds like classic ‘fake news’ to sow discontent amongst the opposition in the hope of fabricating disunity...good ol’ divide and conquer...

When this finally goes to the vote (if ever) in parliament it will be the final and conclusive show of who the traitors are, until then it is all premature speculation...Zaev and Co were hoping the citizens shot themselves in the foot, then the vote would’ve been easy for them and they could always use the will of the people as their excuse...since the failed referendum, it is only the politicians that will forever be blamed if it is voted through in parliament...how many could live with that legacy?

[Bill77]

Jess Baily handed over millions of Soros of dollars to get the current government into power. This agreement is the reason as to why those millions were spent. Whatever extra millions are required is loose change for Soros to get this over the line.

That horrific antichrist Soros (A Jew) was adopted by the Nazi Minister of Agriculture during WW2, and he went out with him to help steal property from Jewish landowners. If he can take from his own people, he would have absolutely no problems taking away anything from Macedonians.

[Karposh]

That horrific antichrist Soros (A Jew) was adopted by the Nazi Minister of Agriculture during WW2, and he went out with him to help steal property from Jewish landowners. If he can take from his own people, he would have absolutely no problems taking away anything from Macedonians.

Exactly what you're talking about is in this video that I've linked below Bill. The interviewer asks him if he, as a Jew, had any feelings of guilt while stealing from fellow Jews during WWII and his answer is a very cold and heartless 'no'. If I'm not mistaken, he even looks at the interviewer derisively like he's about to say “What?!, I don't get your question”. He was simply looking after No. 1 – George Soros...Where's the harm in that. Apparently being a heartless, soulless and money-grubbing Jew cunt is like the share markets – Someone had to do it and, if it wasn't him doing it, then someone else surely would've. Makes perfect sense to me. What a wise and noble fella this Soros guy is. I'm sure he has Macedonia's best interests at heart when he's throwing his hard earned money around to bring about some positive change into the place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWizajL7tA

[Vangelovski]

since the failed referendum, it is only the politicians that will forever be blamed if it is voted through in parliament...how many could live with that legacy?

I don't think it bothers them at all. Do you care either way re the Burma/Myanmar issue? I don't. I think its the same re Macedonia/whatever for them.

[Niko777]

Meet the committee responsible for revising the textbooks of Macedonia and Greece

The Greek team consists of:

1. Markos Bolari, State Secretary for Foreign Affairs, as President of the Greek Section of the Commission.

2. Spyridon Speta, Professor of History and Archeology at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.

3. Nikolaos Zyko, Associate Professor of the Department of Balkan, Slavic and Oriental Studies of the University of Macedonia.

4. Alexandra Ioannidou, Associate Professor of the Department of Russian Language and Literature and Slavic Studies of the National and Kapodistrian University of Athens.

5. Iakovos Michailidis, Associate Professor of the Department of History and Archeology of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.

6. Efthymiou Harlafti, Embassy Counselor A, A3 Directorate of Southeast European Countries of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

7. Athanasios Loupas, PhD Candidate of the Department of History and Archeology of the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.

On the Macedonian side, the Commission includes:

1. Ambassador Victor Gaber, Head

2. Professor Dalibor Jovanovski, PhD, Member

3. Professor Nikos Chausidis, PhD, Member

4. Professor LjudmilSpasov, PhD, Member

5. Assistant Professor Ana Chupeska-Stanishkovska, PhD, Member

6. Professor Fahri Ramadani, PhD Member

7. Professor Kica Kolbe, PhD, Member.

Examination of school books and accompanying material, such as maps and atlases, will be based on "authentic, documented and scientifically sound historical sources and archaeological finds."

[Risto the Great]

Most of the Greeks seem well educated. This will probably work out well.

[VMRO]

Kica Kolba and Victor Gaber... we stand no chance.

Gaber wrote a book on the denial of Macedonian's few years back but ever since i saw his wife pushing for the Yes vote... i wrote them both off.

Dalibor Jovanovski is the only one i would rate, great that we have a token Albanian in there.

Zaev needs to provide his coalition partner with jobs here and there i guess.

[Vangelovski]

Examination of school books and accompanying material, such as maps and atlases, will be based on "authentic, documented and scientifically sound historical sources and archaeological finds."

I'm sure it will, it will just ignore primary Macedonian sources and focus on the Greek.

[Gocka]

I wonder what our brave boycotters are thinking now given that the crazy train is full speed ahead. Maybe instead of jumping onto a fad they should have given some more thought to their brilliant strategy. A little historical perspective would have taught them that a boycott only works when one party has something to lose, and doesn't want to lose it, usually MONEY!

Another perfect example of Macedonians being oh so clever. Here is a little history on where the boycott comes form.

The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and derives from Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in Lough Mask House, near Ballinrobe in County Mayo, Ireland, who was subject to social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880. As harvests had been poor that year, Lord Erne offered his tenants a ten percent reduction in their rents. In September of that year, protesting tenants demanded a twenty five percent reduction, which Lord Erne refused. Boycott then attempted to evict eleven tenants from the land. Charles Stewart Parnell, in a speech in Ennis prior to the events in Lough Mask, proposed that when dealing with tenants who take farms where another tenant was evicted, rather than resorting to violence, everyone in the locality should shun them. While Parnell's speech did not refer to land agents or landlords, the tactic was first applied to Boycott when the alarm was raised about the evictions. Despite the short-term economic hardship to those undertaking this action, Boycott soon found himself isolated – his workers stopped work in the fields and stables, as well as in his house. Local businessmen stopped trading with him, and the local postman refused to deliver mail.[1]

The concerted action taken against him meant that Boycott was unable to hire anyone to harvest the crops in his charge. Eventually 50 Orangemen from Cavan and Monaghan volunteered to do the work. They were escorted to and from Claremorris by one thousand policemen and soldiers, despite the fact that the local Land League leaders had said that there would be no violence from them, and in fact no violence happened.[2] This protection ended up costing far more than the harvest was worth. After the harvest, the "boycott" was successfully continued. Within weeks Boycott's name was everywhere. The New-York Tribune reporter, James Redpath, first wrote of the boycott in the international press. The Irish author, George Moore, reported: 'Like a comet the verb 'boycott' appeared.'[3] It was used by The Times in November 1880 as a term for organized isolation. According to an account in the book The Fall of Feudalism in Ireland by Michael Davitt, the term was promoted by Fr. John O'Malley of County Mayo to "signify ostracism applied to a landlord or agent like Boycott". The Times first reported on November 20, 1880: "The people of New Pallas have resolved to 'boycott' them and refused to supply them with food or drink." The Daily News wrote on December 13, 1880: "Already the stoutest-hearted are yielding on every side to the dread of being 'Boycotted'." By January of the following year, the word was being used figuratively: "Dame Nature arose.... She 'Boycotted' London from Kew to Mile End" (The Spectator, January 22, 1881).

So we are apparently more dumb than a group of Irish peasants form the 1880's, BRILLIANT!

Here is a list of the most notable boycotts in history

the Iranian Tobacco Boycott, 1891
Civil Rights Movement boycotts (e.g., Montgomery & Tallahassee Bus Boycotts)
the United Farm Workers union grape and lettuce boycotts
the American boycott of British goods at the time of the American Revolution
the 1905 Chinese boycott of American products to protest the extension of the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1902.[6]
the Indian boycott of British goods organized by Mohandas Gandhi
the successful Jewish boycott organised against Henry Ford in the USA, in the 1920s
the boycott of Japanese products in China after the May Fourth Movement
the Jewish anti-Nazi boycott of German goods in Lithuania, the US, Britain, Poland and Mandatory Palestine during 1933
the antisemitic boycott of Jewish-owned businesses in Nazi Germany during the 1930s
the Arab League boycott of Israel and companies trading with Israel.
the worldwide Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign led by Palestinian civil society against the State of Israel.

Notice a common theme in that list?

The strategy of boycott is meant to isolate someone or something into submission because functioning in isolation is impossible. Who was this boycott meant to isolate? Who was it punishing? Under what circumstances would the Zaev regime have felt isolated? Why would they be incapable of functioning or moving forward based on a boycott? What did the regime stand to lose? Credibility? Something they never had in the first place.

Once again Macedonian attempt a "technical" win only to see it be "technically" ignored. So brilliant, oh so fucking brilliant they are.

Macedonians were playing a game under an assumed set of rules, expecting the referee to enforce the assumed set of rules. All the while not realizing that THEY are the referee in this game. That in a democratic system the PEOPLE are responsible for enforcing the rules.

[Risto the Great]

I was never a fan of the boycott. I wanted an active NO. Not a passive, could be anything, NO. In this case, legal minds can argue participating in the referendum lended validity to something which is fundamentally illegal. However, illegality has NEVER stopped Macedonia from diluting its sovereignty since 1991.

[VMRO]

If they didn't boycott the agreement would surely have been forced through as the Yes vote would've passed. There were world records of voting every 3 seconds in some reports near the end.

Romania the past week had a referendum too, to reverse same sex marriage. Guess what, EU openly called for a boycott.

There is no proper law over there, everything was geared to push this through but i get your view. The current Macedonian Psyche is "Shto mi e gajle" and in majority the "Neznam" crew.

Macedonian's rising up won't happen unless the orchestrated 27th of April fiasco happens again.

2001 Macedonians lost their lives for politicians today to build careers

From 2001 - 2018 same crap, opportunism and self interest while the people through social media post a post and thinking their outrage is enough.

The above applies to the whole world now sadly.