Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[maco2envy]

Is it true that international treaties must be approved by the UN?

[Gocka]

There is no pulse. None.

Probably not. Morat malku da si go mamish umot.

[Risto the Great]

There is no pulse. None.

[Gocka]

Whether Greece ratifies the deal or not is irrelevant. It won't prompt any changes from Zaev.

All we can hope for now is that a few things happen.

-The Greeks do not ratify the deal.
-Zaev persists to implement changes despite the Greeks
-That the Bulgarians make significant demands
-Conservatives come into power in Greece and threaten an EU veto

All of these factors should make a perfect storm to spur anger in Macedonia. Hopefully the shear volume of changes overwhelm people, at the very moment that EU entry seems like it is in question yet again. If that doesn't anger people enough to change course, then nothing ever will.

An economic downturn in Europe to take the wind out of everyone's sails would be the cherry on the cake.

Also the upcoming presidential election will have massive importance. Not so much from a policy perspective but from a sentiment perspective. If a SDSM candidates take the presidency, then forget about potential revolt. That would signal that SDSM hasn't really lost any support A solid win for the opposition wouldn't exactly be a repudiation of Zaev but at we can at least believe there is a pulse.

[Carlin]

I hear Kamenos has resigned...

Defense Minister Panos Kammenos admitted in a press conference following his resignation statement Sunday, that only two other Independent Greeks lawmakers will follow him in voting against the government and the name deal.

The 7-strong parliamentary group, which has propped up the government majority of 152 in the 300-member Parlaiment is split.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/236550/article/ekathimerini/news/kammenos-admits-his-party-is-fractured

[Risto the Great]

Macedonian majority there (just).

[Rogi]

42 of the 81 are ethnic Macedonians, the rest are Albanians, Turks, Serbs, Bosnaks or Gypsy.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Yes, see this link with how everyone voted:

https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonij...smenija-imeto/

Thanks Vic.

[vicsinad]

Vic, is there a list of names of the 81 maggots who voted for this betrayal?

Yes, see this link with how everyone voted:

https://republika.mk/vesti/makedonija/ovie-pratenici-ni-go-smenija-imeto/

[vicsinad]

Thanks Vic, appreciated.

No problem.

Other news, Bulgaria's turn to get Macedonians to accept that they're Bulgarians.

From BG's Foreign Minister Zaharieva:

"One of the main conditions in the pre-accession process is to have good neighborly relations, not to pursue an isolationist and nationalist policy, not to steal the history of the neighbors and not to deny the general historical past. Bulgaria clearly sets out these conditions, "Zaharieva added.

https://makfax.com.mk/makedonija/%d0%b7%d0%b0%d1%85%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%b8%d0%b5%d0%b2%d0%b0-%d1%87%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%81%d1%82%d0%b2%d0%be%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%bd%d0%b0-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d1%98%d0%b0-%d0%b2/

[Soldier of Macedon]

Let's hope that some of these people turn words into resistance:

https://www.mkd.mk/kolumni/severna-m...lovska-drzhava

Vic, is there a list of names of the 81 maggots who voted for this betrayal?

[maco2envy]

I hear Kamenos has resigned...

Seems like that will have little effect

[Phoenix]

Yes, one probably needs deep scientific research in order to find exactly when the Communist Party changed its' views. They just have to say something to avoid voting YES for the Prespa Agreement and avoid political cost.

Right now it's 9:30am in Greece, Tsipras meets Kamenos at 10:30 and Kamenos gives press conference at 12:30pm. Nobody bets on their decisions at the moment. Kamenos and his Party are about to disappear anyway, the first obvious political victims of the Agreement. Stavros Theodorakis and his party (The River) are following.

I hear Kamenos has resigned...

[Phoenix]

Yasou migalo gifto..

These commi vlakas hold 15 seats.. what’s the likelihood of the pousties in parliament getting this over the line?

The greeks have shit for brains if they vote for this illegal debacle...nothing that Zaev has done since coming to power has been legal or constitutional nor without foreign meddling and dirty tricks.

[Pelagonija]

Yasou migalo gifto..

These commi vlakas hold 15 seats.. what’s the likelihood of the pousties in parliament getting this over the line?