Originally posted by rujnovino
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Australian position on Macedonia
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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by rujnovino View PostInteresting, so instead of answering a question, you simply ask another - "what cause was Bitove fighting for?"
And that's my basic question for you; if Bitove is not fighting for the Macedonian cause, and he's not a paid stooge, then whose interest is he serving, in your view?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostWell, according to that New York Times article he was assisting the Greek cause. As to why he would do that, the only reasons I can think of is that he's stupid, he's a traitor or he thinks he can be a western vassal. You're starting to get very confused, or maybe you're just finding it a little cramped in that corner.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostRujnovino, please advise which Diaspora community has led the way for Macedonian Human Rights over the last 50 years.
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RV,
Perhaps you would not be making such ridiculous posts if you were using your real name. Its easy to just post with a hidden identity and not be responsible for any of your comments. How about you reveal your real identity and then we can see how your tone changes.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Makedonska_Kafana View PostThis moron is taking a shit kicking for UMD shortcomings, EASY target .. LMFAO"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by vangelovski View Postrv,
perhaps you would not be making such ridiculous posts if you were using your real name. Its easy to just post with a hidden identity and not be responsible for any of your comments. How about you reveal your real identity and then we can see how your tone changes.
Last edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 05-26-2011, 12:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostWell, according to that New York Times article he was assisting the Greek cause. As to why he would do that, the only reasons I can think of is that he's stupid, he's a traitor or he thinks he can be a western vassal. You're starting to get very confused, or maybe you're just finding it a little cramped in that corner.
"Gligorovist", indeed... I'm not even sure what that means, but if Bitove is "Gligorovist", then I just thank God that he's not a "Vangelovski-ist", because then he would have been sitting on his hands all of these years, and spitting poison at his Macedonian brothers, instead of taking action for the Macedonian Cause.
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Originally posted by rujnovino View PostWhat a joke. John Bitove is no dummy, he's obviously passionate about Macedonia, and he has nothing to gain from "vassal" status, or any other conspiracy theories of yours. You don't know what you're talking about. Back in the early 90s, the Republic's mere existence was at stake. President Gligorov made mistakes, but he was doing what he thought he needed to do, to make sure that Macedonia didn't become Bosnia, Part II, and Bitove was generously helping however he could. The different decisions that were ultimately made will be debated forever, but hindsight is 20/20, and your highly selective, biased, disingenuous, decontextualized treatment of very complex historical issues has always suggested a hidden agenda to me.
"Gligorovist", indeed... I'm not even sure what that means, but if Bitove is "Gligorovist", then I just thank God that he's not a "Vangelovski-ist", because then he would have been sitting on his hands all of these years, and spitting poison at his Macedonian brothers, instead of taking action for the Macedonian Cause.
On this Bosnia II business, more Gligorovist rubbish. Foresaking freedom and natural rights just in order to avoid war is a perversion of the natural order.
How exactly was Bitove "helping" by paying a lobbyist to convince the US that Macedonia was willing to compromise on its name? How can that ever be a good idea, with or without "20/20 hindsight"?
Your own treasonous views are now coming to light. After these latest comments, it appears that you do support the Interim Accord after all. So indeed, you have not contradicted yourself - you support UMD because you agree with their support for the IA.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
Your own treasonous views are now coming to light. After these latest comments, it appears that you do support the Interim Accord after all.
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Originally posted by rujnovino View PostWhat a joke. John Bitove is no dummy, he's obviously passionate about Macedonia, and he has nothing to gain from "vassal" status, or any other conspiracy theories of yours. You don't know what you're talking about. Back in the early 90s, the Republic's mere existence was at stake. President Gligorov made mistakes, but he was doing what he thought he needed to do, to make sure that Macedonia didn't become Bosnia, Part II, and Bitove was generously helping however he could. The different decisions that were ultimately made will be debated forever, but hindsight is 20/20, and your highly selective, biased, disingenuous, decontextualized treatment of very complex historical issues has always suggested a hidden agenda to me.
You appear to be defending him and his actions with great vigour and conviction, that one would assume that you're quite intimate with Bitove's actions relating to the Macedonian cause, care to elaborate ?
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Amen ! This boozo plays round the mulberry bush and has shown his treasonous anti cause views . Admin should bugger him off along with u m d who in the last 2 years have shown where their allegiances Dont lie , have had ample opportunities to redeem themselves and sweat over their member paid trips . Wanting new name for Macedonia , not supporting the human rights askef with their campaigns , not listening to the diaspora in their fight for sovereignty and working their agendas and allegiances to yankee doodie annihilation of Macedonian sovereignty . A hero award to vino u m d have another tool"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by rujnovino View Postinstead of taking action for the Macedonian Cause.
How does the UMetoD define it?Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
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