Origin of the Goths: Slavic or Germanic?

[Delodephius]

Goths was their common name. Then they split into the Visigoths (Western Goths) and the Ostrogoths (Eastern Goths). There were also other Gothic tribes and confederacies, like the Thervingi Goths, Greuthungi Goths, Vagoths or Valagoths. Some identify the Greuthungi as the ancestors of the Ostrogoths and the Thervingi of the Visigoths, but it is unclear.

[George S.]

Hey Slovak what's the difference between the goths & the visigoths.

[makedonin]

Jordanes, Procopious and their contemporaries were having clear agenda when they were writing their history accounts. They were politically motivated and wrote half truths with political notions. As such they should be regarded and examined.

[Delodephius]

Scandza refers to Scandinavia I believe. There are two regions in Sweden, one called Gotland, and island east of Sweden, and Götaland in the south of Sweden, where cities of Gotene and Gothenburg are located and the people are still called Götar in Swedish. The legendary Beowulf was a Götar. It is I think that Jordanes considered either one of these areas as the original homeland of the Goths. Their arrival into Eastern Europe can be compared to the arrival of the Varangians a few centuries later. They were a ruling elite that lived of trade and taxes.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Perhaps a segment of the Goths may have derived from there, but I think the story about 'Scandza' is a fanciful rendition by Jordanes that lacks credibility.

[TrueMacedonian]

Onur said:

You know, Romans used christianity as a tool for assimilating many different tribes, societies in to the Roman, Latin world. But, even with this fact, the Goths who earned high ranks in Roman world wrote their own history. They ignored many elements about themselves because of christian dogmas of medieval era but they wrote that they are descendants of Scythians.

Onur Jordanes, a Goth who wrote the Goth's history from Constantinople, wrote that the Goths migrated from an island called Scandza (thought to be Sweden) and migrated "to the land known as Scythia, called Oium in that tongue".

Contradictory to what you wrote.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I'm not aware of any significant number of Macedonians fighting in Baczka, or in any part of Vojvodina for that matter. My town was liberated by Slovak volunteers, my grandfather included.

If you're not aware then you're ignorant of certain facts. If you're interested, you should research it.

The origin of the word Nemci could be from a German tribe called the Nemetes......

That is possible.

.......while the origin of the word Slověne is still unknown. It is most likely an Iranian (Scytho-Sarmatian) word.

In my opinion, the term slověne derived from PIE kleu. After satemisation, words such as slava (renown, spoken of) and slovo (word, speaking) arose. This may then be connected to sloga (unity) - in the sense of 'linguistic' unity, at least initially. That seems to fit in with the advent of the name 'Slavs' during the 6th century and the circumstances surrounding the relevant events.

[Onur]

Guys let's keep the insults out of the topic and just discuss the topic on hand.

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

I guess they are busy with arguing and ruining the thread with useless posts.

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it.

I linked the sources from 5th century when Goths ruled Roman lands. You call the accounts from that era as misconception and misinformation? If so, then enlighten us but don't spam the thread just because you prefer to ignore it.

[Serdarot]

Tomas, now try wearing my shoes...

My grandfather´s life was ruined cause of the "sremski front" (his complete family´s life was ruined cause of the "sremski front".)

so it is not nice to read lies and half-truths?

i am very aware that not only Macedonians fought on the Sremski Front. I even mentioned in my previous post, that the Macedonians were not the only one who liberated the Balkans from the fascist (it is stupid to even think that we, so small nation could have serious results against the military machine that the axis powers were, without wide coalition of co-fighters)

And my reaction about the "Nemci" was like it was, cause i could not believe you search for explanations, for the obvious?

There is no mystery in Nemci, it is so clear the root and the meaning

TM: i would love to participate in this discusion, but i will do it after i sleep.

Utroto e pomudro od vecherata.

PoZdrav / Greetings

[TrueMacedonian]

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it. You guys can debate if you want, I'll join if an opportunity comes.

What's your opinion about the monk Hrabar and his statement that the pre-christian Slavic tribes used runes?

[Delodephius]

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

There too many misconceptions and misinformation there to even bother with it. I'd just ignore it. You guys can debate if you want, I'll join if an opportunity comes.

[TrueMacedonian]

Guys let's keep the insults out of the topic and just discuss the topic on hand.

Tomas, Serdarot what do you guys think about Onur's posts on page 2?

[Delodephius]

You seem to imply that only Macedonians are somehow the ones to be noted of fighting on the Syrmian front, as if all others fighters there are irrelevant. Putting your people so high on a pedestal, as if they are the sole important people on Earth, no wonder even the smallest mistake or incorrect remark about your people can be called Anti-Macedonism. I don't want to guess to what depth you are mentally disturbed, but I'm putting you on my Ignore list just to be safe.

[Serdarot]

I'm not aware of any significant number of Macedonians fighting in Baczka, or in any part of Vojvodina for that matter. My town was liberated by Slovak volunteers, my grandfather included.

So you never heard about the Macedonians being killed, tortured and imprisoned, because they refused to go to the "Sremski Front"?

You never heard, that most of the Macedonian Fighters who were killed in the WWII, were fighting on the "Sremski Front"?

And you speak about ignorance?

You're only revealing your ignorance by calling me Anti-Macedonian. Ask the other Macedonians what they have to say first. I do not think I have made a single Anti-Macedonian statement since I joined this forum years ago.

To write those 2 statements, that modern Macedonians have no contribution in the current civilization, and that modern Macedonians were not fighting to liberate Vojvodina (Syrmium/Srem, Banat, Bachka), is anti-Makedonism by definition.

Beside anti-Makedonism, it is an insult, lie and complete ignorance.

[Delodephius]

I'm not aware of any significant number of Macedonians fighting in Baczka, or in any part of Vojvodina for that matter. My town was liberated by Slovak volunteers, my grandfather included.

You're only revealing your ignorance by calling me Anti-Macedonian. Ask the other Macedonians what they have to say first. I do not think I have made a single Anti-Macedonian statement since I joined this forum years ago.