Origin of the Goths: Slavic or Germanic?

[Delodephius]

THey say the germanic people could be assyrian???

O_O

Germanic people are Indo-European. They have nothing to do with the Semitic Assyrians. Where on Earth did you hear such a ridiculous thing?

[TrueMacedonian]

so where did the goths originate from originally??THey say the germanic people could be assyrian???

Who said this????

[George S.]

so where did the goths originate from originally??THey say the germanic people could be assyrian???

[TrueMacedonian]

Pages 1 and 2 of Herwig Wolfram's 'History of the Goths' basically states that no one can claim the Goths because they did not necessarily "achieve the status of a nation, they dissolved at their downfall into a myth accessible to everyone. The results have been a long history of attempts to lay claim to the Gothic traditions."

http://books.google.com/books?id=xsQxcJvaLjAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+goths&hl=en&ei=QqyWTbvdL6mR0QHJqvD6Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=german&f=false

[osiris]

correct me if i am wrong but wasnt there a dna study that shows nearly as much germanic as 'slavic' in macedonia.

[Bratot]

Great job TM!

[TrueMacedonian]

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Plenty of info to absorb here. Hope we can add more and discuss this topic further.

[TrueMacedonian]

There is more about the Goths and Macedonia in this book.

That's a pretty good book Bratot. I'm gonna post some more info from it soon. Thanks for the post

[Bratot]

And

Count Marcellinus and his chronicle

http://books.google.pl/books?id=ep6U-meRt00C&pg=PA62&dq=Goths+in+Macedonia&ei=5rJVS8zzLJ38zQT7y7D_DQ&cd=5#v=onepage&q=Goths%20in%20Macedonia&f=false

The fall of Rome, and the rise of the new nationalities...

http://books.google.pl/books?id=C8MpAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA280&dq=Goths+in+Macedonia&lr=&ei=GLtVS5rFA5eGzATo4d2BCw&cd=28#v=onepage&q=Goths%20in%20Macedonia&f=false

[Bratot]

There is more about the Goths and Macedonia in this book.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Here is a previous discussion concerning this topic:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=734&highlight=getae

[TrueMacedonian]

I agree Bratot. Their impact was enormous on the Roman empire. Macedonians need to recognize a part of this history and respect it.










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The following was from Count Marcellinus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcellinus_Comes

[Bratot]

Great subject that need much more attention. Very interesting.

[TrueMacedonian]

The Goths in Macedonia

I wanted to create this topic for some time now. The Goths were such a powerful warrior people who have a history in the balkans, especially in Macedonia, that it is important to show their side in Macedonia's history because this is the history of our land.





Goths living with Macedonians Strange but true.

The following text below is from the 6th century Roman bueraucrat/historian Jordanes (for more info on Jordanes see this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes). This text is interesting;



page 33


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There's a few things to notice from Jordanes' text.

1) On page 30 he differentiates Macedonians from Greeks.
2) Page 33 is just an interesting read altogether about Philip marrying a Goth.
3) The Goth King Thiudimer dies in Macedonia and the new Goth King Theoderic is crowned in Macedonia. The Goths are given land in Macedonia by the Romans.

[Sovius]

Thorvald,
You’ve presented a well constructed overview of the Victorian Age interpretative model of the history of the Gothic people during the early Medieval and late Ancient Periods. As someone who continues to accept the relevance of the Renaissance Period Model, which regarded and continues to regard the Goths as a Northern Thracian people, I’ve been wondering for a long time what prompted this departure away from the primary source historical documents which were used to substantiate prior interpretations made during previous eras of European history. Beyond translations of Getica and Germania into the Nordic languages, which were used to substantiate this particular revision, do you happen to know of any empirical evidence or other contemporaneous historical sources that were used in the decision made by 19th Century Western European researchers to re-classify the ethnic heritage of many of my ancestors as being Germanic in the sense that having been classified as Germanic (of Germania/Gminija) during the late Roman Period must have meant what Nordic came to represent during the Modern Period?

Some interesting observations to throw into the mix:

Gmina meant and continues to mean a ‘community of people’ in the Polish language. Tutejeszy (too-tey-shi) meant and means ‘an indigenous person’ ‘a local’ in the Sarmatian languages, which were reclassified as the Slavic languages after the 16th Century (1839 officially?). It was traditionally used in the possessive sense, not as a proper noun, according to historian Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski.

People defined by Haplogroup I in Western Europe have the same forefathers as populations who continue to inhabit the Illyrian Peninsula, like many Macedonians and Serbians, but that was quite a few thousand years ago (M170). Another explanation for the presence of the markers that you’re identifying as Gothic are the archeologically defined advances of Galatian and Vindelician populations onto the Iberian Peninsula. The Gothic lands, as attested to by Herodotus and other historians, were and are near one of the oldest zones found for the R1a genetic marker. Geneticists have determined that a few thousand years ago, populations ancestral to folks still living in Central, Southeastern and Eastern Europe colonized Scandinavia.

Nordic prehistory is a fascinating subject. Computational linguists over at the University of Pennsylvania during the 1990s demonstrated that the Nordic languages came into existence through the amalgamation of Caledonian (Insular Celtic, according to the Victorian Model), Italic, Baltic and Sarmatian populations who formed a unique collection of cultures in NW Europe during prehistory, as genetic evidence continues to uphold. There were economically forged (driven) cultures that came to be linguistically cosmopolitanized (creolized 19th C.) around the Mediterranean Sea and the Baltic, as well, it would seem.



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