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  • Pelister
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2742

    Cases of Greek atrocities in Macedonia

    Harvey was the English adviser to the Ottoman consulate in Macedonia. In 1907 he toured western Macedonia, and wrote:

    "I doubt whether anyone can from merely reading the consular reports and monthly statistics of crimes committed by the Greeks, form an adequate conception of the intense suffering of the Macedonian population of this unfortunate region".

    A few things emerge from this. Clearly, British observers regard the Greeks and the Macedonians are two separate and distinctly different people.

    Secondly, we only get a glimpse here of the sheer scale of the Greek atrocities. Harvey writes that there are "monthly statistics" and consular reports.

    What it suggest (short of going to the direct sources) is that the Greeks are killing Macedonians systematically and on a mass scale.

    The sources for this quote:
    The Eastern Question 1774 - 1923, N.S Anderson, 1974, London, p.145
    Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.265
  • Pelister
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 2742

    #2
    You can also read more about the murder of countless Macedonian Christians by Greek bandits in the book The Concert of Europe 1815-1914, by Carsten Holbraad, London, 1970 (pages 175 and 176)

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    • Pelister
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2742

      #3
      On the 5th November a Greek band killed three Macedonians at Ossani near Voden, and on the following day killed another three Macedonians at Tekovo.

      On the 26th November a Greek band attacked a Macedonian wedding at Zelenich, and killed 42 people. According to the sources, the reason for the attack was that they did not reject the Macedonian Christian church.

      Source,

      Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.226
      Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonian, p.194

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      • Pelister
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2742

        #4
        In August 1902, Karavangelis payed two Turks from the village of Zherveni (which was a Turkish village) out of about 35 Macedonian village in the region.

        The Greek cleric gave the two assasins a list of Macedonian men to be killed, and he promised to give them five Turkish pounds for every Macedonian head that fell, and according to Karavangelis's letters both men "were extremely active".

        Source:

        Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.160
        Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonia, p.133

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        • Pelister
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2742

          #5
          In the village of Zagorichani (a patriotic village) a Greek band numbering about 200 men surprised it in a night attack on April 6-7, 1905.
          They burned ten houses, wounded seven people, and murdered in cold blood no less that sixty (60) Macedonians, among the dead included seven (7) women, twenty two (22) Macedonians over sixity years of age, and five children under 15 years.
          Source:

          Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.230
          Brailsford, p.217

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          • Pelister
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2742

            #6
            A letter found on the person of Greek prisoner from 1904 read:

            "Exterminate the Macedonian priests, the teachers and the notables, and neglect no means of proving to the whole world that Macedonia is purely Greek".


            Source:

            Brailsford, p.217 N
            Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.230

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            • Pelister
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2742

              #7
              In 1906 Athanas Nikola of Nikishani was arrested by the Turks, and in his statement to Turkish authorities revealed that he had been employed, along with three others, at 3 golden napoleons per month by the Greek consulates in Macedonia to murder certain Macedonians.
              Later in 1907, three people were arrested by the Turks, and questioned. They made a statement that the Greek consul himself had personally given them arms, and offered them 10 golden napoleons to kill all Macedonians who refused to convert to Eparchial control. This information was then brought to the attention of the British consulates in Macedonia (which is how we know about it).
              V.Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.235
              D. Dakin, The Greek Stuggle in Macedonia, p.324

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13675

                #8
                Some powerful stuff there. It would be great if we can get our hands on the sources and any others that may corroborate it.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Pelister
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 2742

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                  Some powerful stuff there. It would be great if we can get our hands on the sources and any others that may corroborate it.
                  Vasil Bogov gets this from Douglas Dakins book, which I have not read. So I'd be interested to see where he gets his information from.

                  I would like to go back to the original reports, which would be held in the British archives in London, because instead of retaliating (sometimes they did), these were good Macedonian christians, they reported the murders to the British consulates.

                  Its all in England.

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                  • Spartan
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1037

                    #10
                    What can you guys tell me about Vasil Bogov, I couldnt find anything about his personal life or achievements on a google search(only the book(s) he wrote appeared, and forum links) and nothing on Wiki either.
                    That is some very powerful stuff, as SoM says.
                    I am curious to know more about this man.

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                    • Pelister
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2742

                      #11
                      He was born in a Macedonian village at the base of Mt Olympus (I think, or it could be just south of it), and from what I have read about him, as a boy he used to listen to his father talk about Macedonians alot.

                      I believe he is one of the begalci, and went to Poland. He moved to Australia, and married here.

                      He is particularly furious that since the 1850's the Greeks have openly burned and destroyed priceless Macedonian libraries on Holy Mountain, and elsewhere, and that the Greeks have tried to "contrive a Hellenic basis" for the Byzantine Empire (he refues to call it that because the liturgy, language and schooling of Christians in south east Europe for the greater part of 1,700 years was in Macedonian), and he has a strong case for that.

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                      • TerraNova
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 473

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pelister View Post
                        He was born in a Macedonian village at the base of Mt Olympus (I think, or it could be just south of it), and from what I have read about him, as a boy he used to listen to his father talk about Macedonians alot.
                        .
                        In Olympos mt there were only Greeks and Vlachs(with Greek consiousness too).

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                        • Pelister
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2742

                          #13
                          On the 26th of November 1904 a Greek patriarchist band attacked a Macedonian wedding at Zelenits (Florina) Lerin region and killed 42 people
                          Douglas Dakin, Greek Struggle in Macedonia, p.194
                          Vasil Bogov, Macedonian Revelation, p.165

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                          • The LION will ROAR
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 3231

                            #14
                            Greek Atrocities in Macedonia •

                            Part 1 - Introduction • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov61.html
                            Part 2 - Atrocities Committed in Kukush by the Greek Army • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov64.html
                            Part 3 - Atrocities Committed by the Greek Army in Akangeli • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov67.html
                            Part 4 - Extracts from Letters of Greek Soldiers • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov72.html
                            Part 5 - The Kukush Situation, a Rare Document • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov76.html
                            Part 6 - Greeks Burning Macedonian Villages in Greek Occupied Macedonia • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov80.html
                            The Future of the Macedonian Nation • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov65.html
                            Only in Greece is a Lie the Truth and the Truth a Lie • http://www.maknews.com/html/articles...v/stefov68.htm
                            The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) - http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov71.html
                            The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                            • Demos
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 325

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The LION will ROAR View Post
                              Greek Atrocities in Macedonia

                              Part 1 - Introduction http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov61.html
                              Part 2 - Atrocities Committed in Kukush by the Greek Army http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov64.html
                              Part 3 - Atrocities Committed by the Greek Army in Akangeli http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov67.html
                              Part 4 - Extracts from Letters of Greek Soldiers http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov72.html
                              Part 5 - The Kukush Situation, a Rare Document http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov76.html
                              Part 6 - Greeks Burning Macedonian Villages in Greek Occupied Macedonia http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov80.html
                              The Future of the Macedonian Nation http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov65.html
                              Only in Greece is a Lie the Truth and the Truth a Lie http://www.maknews.com/html/articles...v/stefov68.htm
                              The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) - http://www.maknews.com/html/articles.../stefov71.html

                              Lion,

                              When the Slavs migrated to the Balkans, they tried to push the Hellenic nation to the Sea. Our northern borders were being flooded by Slavic tribes. So of course we had to cleanse those areas out at some point in our history and push the Slav invaders back.

                              Did you think we were just going to sit back and allow our lands to be flooded by foreigners, speaking a foreign tongue?

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