greece REJECTS opinion from Macedonia to establish a circle of "history truth finding

[Yiftoi]

So what you are saying is that Bulgarians and Greeks can call themselves Macedonians. But Macedonians can't. Astounding.

That's the point, everyone in the geographical region can lay claim to Macedonian heritage.

[Yiftoi]

so you cannot name one greek born in macedonia and yet you say macedonia is greek.

thats indicative of the strength of the greek claim to macedonia.

Are you talking about the Republic of Macedonia or Makedonia proper?

[Risto the Great]

That's the point, everyone in the geographical region can lay claim to Macedonian heritage.

Certainly.
But only one group identifies with it as an ethnicity.
There would be so much more confusion if Greece and Bulgaria wanted to rename their countries as Macedonia. But that is not the problem at all, is it Yifto.

[makedonin]

That's the point, everyone in the geographical region can lay claim to Macedonian heritage.

That's the bullshit you are spinning around.

The deal is: Macedonians are only Macedonians claim only Macedonian heritage and are loyal only to Macedonia. Period.

Greeks and Bulgars can add the epithet "macedonian" as much as they like, it will remain EPITHET, cause they claim no Macedonian heritage, but Greek and Bulgar one and are loyal to Greece's and Bulgaria's interests not Macedonia's one.

For Greeks and Bulgars the epithet "macedonian" is only a mean for territorial domination, not a Ethnic designation.

Your well known Slogan, "Macedonia is Greek" goes against your above claim, since there is also Macedonia in Bulgaria, right?

So how can Macedonia be Greek if there is Macedonia in Bulgaria and Bulgars according to you can call them self "macedonian" as well?

That slogan is depicting your use of the Epithet "macedonia".
By chanting that Slogan, you just want to tell:

"The part of Macedonia we now have belongs to Greece and no one else".

That's all, domination and territorial aspiration, that is why you use the term (epithet) "macedonian".

[Yiftoi]

The "ELLAS ELLAS MAKEDONIA" you refer to is the chant that represents the 2.5 million Makeedones in Greek Macedonia.
The problem is that the Greeks do not have a Macedonian ethnicity, but a geographical one.
The Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia are claiming the ethnicity as you correctly have pointed out.
I suppose if an independent source could clarify these points, we may be able to move ahead.

[Risto the Great]

Ha ha.
Well done Makedonin.
A great response given that Yifto clearly feels there is ample room for confusion based on Bulgaria's equally "strong" claim on the name Macedonia.
Back to the kafeniou Yifto.

[Soldier of Macedon]

2.5 million Makeedones in Greek Macedonia

No such thing Gypsy, 2.5 million citizens of Greece live in the Greek-occupied part of Macedonia, but not all of them are Macedonians.

You are not referring to those Turk, Armenian, etc speakers from Asia that have been in Macedonia only since the 1920's, are you?

Greeks in Macedonia are a fiction, one would be hard pressed to find an authentic and native 'Greek-speaker' from Macedonia before the 19th century (except probably in some towns and coastal areas), and even post this period, most 'Greeks' were actually Macedonian or Vlach adherents of the Patriarchate, the racist organ that wouldn't allow its followers to speak and learn their own languages.

Macedonians are Macedonian and only one, no other labels needed. Monkeys like you can continue their wet dreams of made-up 'identitites' like "Greek-Macedonian" and so on.....it is of no relevance to us. At the end of the day, the world does and will know us as Macedonians, and you as Greeks, and the buck stops there, regardless of Athens' (failing) persistent bitching like some swine whore......

[Yiftoi]

Ha ha.
Well done Makedonin.
A great response given that Yifto clearly feels there is ample room for confusion based on Bulgaria's equally "strong" claim on the name Macedonia.
Back to the kafeniou Yifto.

Bulgarians, not Bulgaria.

[makedonin]

Ha ha.
Well done Makedonin.
A great response given that Yifto clearly feels there is ample room for confusion based on Bulgaria's equally "strong" claim on the name Macedonia.
Back to the kafeniou Yifto.

He is drowning in his own created confusion

Man, sometimes I ask my self if it is worth of responding.

The only thing why I ever make any response is for the neutral reader of this forum to see the other side of the Greek delusion.

Sorry Giftoi, but your statement ain't correct.
The chant "Macedonia is Greece" is chanted along the Banner "Macedonia 4000 years of Greek...(whatever)" and was also accompanied with the parroted of the "fact" that the Ancient Macedonian kingdom was right there where in modern times the Greeks put the border in 1913.

What do you think, whom are you talking to here. Average American that thinks Africa is Terra Incognita?

Spear the bull.

[Yiftoi]

No such thing Gypsy, 2.5 million citizens of Greece live in the Greek-occupied part of Macedonia, but not all of them are Macedonians.

You are not referring to those Turk, Armenian, etc speakers from Asia that have been in Macedonia only since the 1920's, are you?

Greeks in Macedonia are a fiction, one would be hard pressed to find an authentic and native 'Greek-speaker' from Macedonia before the 19th century (except probably in some towns and coastal areas), and even post this period, most 'Greeks' were actually Macedonian or Vlach adherents of the Patriarchate, the racist organ that wouldn't allow its followers to speak and learn their own languages.

Macedonians are Macedonian and only one, no other labels needed. Monkeys like you can continue their wet dreams of made-up 'identitites' like "Greek-Macedonian" and so on.....it is of no relevance to us. At the end of the day, the world does and will know us as Macedonians, and you as Greeks, and the buck stops there, regardless of Athens' (failing) persistent bitching like some swine whore......

You can call them turks, armenian, whatever.
They self identify as Makedones.
Is this a thorn in your side?

[Risto the Great]

You can call them turks, armenian, whatever.
They self identify as Makedones.
Is this a thorn in your side?

No ... it is excellent.
The more the merrier.
You should encourage them to break away from Greece and call themselves Macedonia. It would be quite fitting.

[makedonin]

You can call them turks, armenian, whatever.
They self identify as Makedones.
Is this a thorn in your side?

Wrong, they self identify as "Greeks" and now newly added "Ellenomakedonas" No pure Makedonas in that name. The same bull as "Ameroelines"

Follow Risto's proposal and encourage them to break away from Greece to call them self Macedonians, go ahead.

[Yiftoi]

He is drowning in his own created confusion

Man, sometimes I ask my self if it is worth of responding.

The only thing why I ever make any response is for the neutral reader of this forum to see the other side of the Greek delusion.

Sorry Giftoi, but your statement ain't correct.
The chant "Macedonia is Greece" is chanted along the Banner "Macedonia 4000 years of Greek...(whatever)" and was also accompanied with the parroted of the "fact" that the Ancient Macedonian kingdom was right there where in modern times the Greeks put the border in 1913.

What do you think, whom are you talking to here. Average American that thinks Africa is Terra Incognita?

Spear the bull.

Are you sure?
I thought the ancient Makedonia kingdom went all the way to India?

[Yiftoi]

No ... it is excellent.
The more the merrier.
You should encourage them to break away from Greece and call themselves Macedonia. It would be quite fitting.

Break away? You don't accept them now but call them Grekoman etc.?

[makedonin]

Are you sure?
I thought the ancient Makedonia kingdom went all the way to India?

Clear me up, what Bakogakis or Kara-manli the turk have thought you?