The sound of ancient languages

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  • makedonin
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    Small question, is it possible that the word mavijo refers to a pot ?

    If so, Mev in Macedonian is a leather bag for transporting Wine and since Pot is also a storage dish there can be a relation.

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  • Delodephius
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    Except šč. That I added because that is the form (or similar like št, šć, š, č, etc.) the uvular q took in satem languages, so it's only for comparison reasons to appear as if it was in Slavic languages. In Mycenaean Greek it was most likely q or a sound similar to it.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Are they the same letters that the Greek translation uses?

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  • Delodephius
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    Table from Pylos:


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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Slovak, do you have any examples of this?

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  • Delodephius
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    Originally posted by Sarafot View Post
    Tomas while playing the game RTR,one of famus unit name is writen this way ''PEZHETEROI'' in our language PEZETERI,but when i read that i cant help my self to translated it in PEŽETEROI=PEŠETERI=PEŠADIJA!!
    It's of an Indo-European root. Neither specifically Greek nor specifically Macedonian. There are plenty of common sounding and meaning words in Greek and Slavic languages. If you would read Linear B Greek you'll be surprised how much you could understand.

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  • TerraNova
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    Originally posted by Sarafot View Post
    Tomas while playing the game RTR,one of famus unit name is writen this way ''PEZHETEROI'' in our language PEZETERI,but when i read that i cant help my self to translated it in PEŽETEROI=PEŠETERI=PEŠADIJA!!
    ΠΕΖΕΤΑΙΡΟΙ=
    ΠΕΖ-(ΟΙ)+ΕΤΑΙΡΟΙ

    =PEZETEROI=
    PEZ-(OI)+ETEROI

    pezoi=on foot/walkers
    eteroi=Companions

    Eteroi was the heavy cavalry. Eteroi=Companions.

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  • Sarafot
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    Tomas while playing the game RTR,one of famus unit name is writen this way ''PEZHETEROI'' in our language PEZETERI,but when i read that i cant help my self to translated it in PEŽETEROI=PEŠETERI=PEŠADIJA!!

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  • TerraNova
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    All Christians are ultimately children of Pagans. Cease your vague clownery.

    WHO spoke it though? Albanians? The link you provided is from Peter Trudgill, do you even know what he says about 'Greece' during the 15th century? He has estimated that it was 45% populated by Albanians.

    Tell me, is Petros Trudgill still your friend?



    How is your post connected to the discussion about modern and ancient GREEK language ?

    (Remember you deleted my post with quotes of Goce Delcev's and Dame Gruev's letters
    ,declaring themselves Bulgarians in another thread....as irrelevant to Pavlos Melas letters )

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Wheren't these people children of the Pagans?
    All Christians are ultimately children of Pagans. Cease your vague clownery.
    People's everyday language is recorded in folk songs,epic Akritika songs etc,in the Byzantine era -In the 19th-20th century is what is called Demotiki.
    WHO spoke it though? Albanians? The link you provided is from Peter Trudgill, do you even know what he says about 'Greece' during the 15th century? He has estimated that it was 45% populated by Albanians.



    So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6).

    Tell me, is Petros Trudgill still your friend?

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  • TerraNova
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    It hasn't been established, this idiot Terry Novak is trying to bait you into a worthless argument by denying your 'Greekness' if you don't fall in line with his extremely demented views.


    It is not a matter of if it survived throughout the ages, but who spoke it and ensured its survival? People who considered Hellenes as devils and worthy of being burnt to death?
    Wheren't these people children of the Pagans?

    How and where exactly in 'Old Greece' (Peloponnese to Thessaly) did the Greek language demonstrate continuity in the local vernacular as opposed to the language of education, religion and trade, I am interested to see the evidence of it.
    If you re really interested..


    Language of the education was generally imitation of attic-since the Byzantine era...taking the form of "Katharevousa" in the 19th century.

    People's everyday language is recorded in folk songs,epic Akritika songs etc,in the Byzantine era -In the 19th-20th century is what is called Demotiki.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    It hasn't been established, this idiot Terry Novak is trying to bait you into a worthless argument by denying your 'Greekness' if you don't fall in line with his extremely demented views.

    It is not a matter of if it survived throughout the ages, but who spoke it and ensured its survival? People who considered Hellenes as devils and worthy of being burnt to death?

    How and where exactly in 'Old Greece' (Peloponnese to Thessaly) did the Greek language demonstrate continuity in the local vernacular as opposed to the language of education, religion and trade, I am interested to see the evidence of it.

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  • Spartan
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    Of course its continued
    I personally dont doubt it
    Any scholar will tell you the same Im sure
    What im saying is that wouldnt it be hard to pinpoint exactly how it has developed orally, since we cant be 100% sure exactly how Ancient Greek was pronounced to compare it to now?
    Tell me, are experts 100% on how ancient Greek was pronounced?
    If yes, and this has already been established, I stand corrected.
    Last edited by Spartan; 02-15-2009, 02:35 PM.

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  • TerraNova
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    Originally posted by Spartan View Post
    Its hard to know how ancient greek sounded for certain, so itd hard to judge the continuity in an oral sense from the few examples posted here. However, there is no question, imo, to the continuity of the language, as SoM mentioned earlier, in its written form.
    So..my Laconian friend...it seems you are not sure if Greek language has a continuity in its oral form??..

    Do you really doubt about it.. ?

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  • Spartan
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    Originally posted by osiris View Post
    here is the sound of ancient greek from homeric to platonic.

    Homer, Ancient Greek pronunciation, Classical Greek, epos, epic, hexameter, greek, Iliad, Troy, Trojan war, Plato, Symposion, Agamemnon, Aischylos, Ancient Greek


    can anyone here see a continuity to modern greek i certainly cant.
    Its hard to know how ancient greek sounded for certain, so itd hard to judge the continuity in an oral sense from the few examples posted here. However, there is no question, imo, to the continuity of the language, as SoM mentioned earlier, in its written form.

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