Perceptions of God, Creationism and Evolution

[Phoenix]

Obviously you, since you asked for my opinion before.....

I was told to calm down when I got confrontational earlier on in the thread, which i did yet you continue I think the admins of this forum she give you a warning to calm down because your turning out to be beyond a joke

What are you, TV's man servant or something...?

[vojnik]

What are you, TV's man servant or something...?

I don't understand how that is relevant to what I just said but you continue with your conspiricy theories that I'm "FYROM", that I believe that dinosaurs bones were scattered as a practical joke and the most recent one that I am "TV's man servant". Yet after all that you still haven't presented your views or any evidence supporting your claims and disproving the facts of creation, but yeah you continue that's fine with every post you just prove to everyone how much of an idiot you are. Pathetic isn't it?

[Bill77]

Back to Genesis of this thread.

Centuries ago (well it feels that way) there was a post by vojnik, which was this.

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Kittim was the son of Javan whom founded the Macedonian and Roman nations the Greeks decended from Javans other son Elishah

Javan settled in Ionia (western part of Asia Minor; which Today this region is part of Turkey). The birthplace of the new science.
A qualitative change occurred in Ionia shortly after 1000 BC. A place where civilization broke the link between religion and science and established a new discipline for systematic attempts to understand and explain nature. The new discipline was called philosophy, literally "love of wisdom", and science was part of it. A place where local Ancient scholars kept religion out of science. It was believed that religion was not suitable as a tool to explain the natural world.


So you see the word Javan/Ionia then later Hellene, was given to anyone who chose science over religion. It was not an ethnic sense. And those that translate it today as Greek (in an ethnic sense) is very wrong and its totally misleading.

Modern Greeks aren't Hellenes/Hellas, not only because their ancestors were Turks or Vlach or Albanian, But they are allegedly "Religious". Remember "Grik Orthodox". Now thats a paradox if i ever seen one. A Grik (Hellene)/Christian.

on a side note, If we happened to be living in 1000bc or later, TM, makedonin, onur, Phoenix and any other that puts science over religion, would be Hellenes. Now we all know they are far from downing souvlaki's every night or dancing the zorba. And i am sure they are hard workers.

[Phoenix]

on a side note, If we happened to be living in 1000bc or later, TM, makedonin, onur, Phoenix and any other that puts science over religion, would be Hellenes. Now we all know they are far from downing souvlaki's every night or dancing the zorba. And i am sure they are hard workers.

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

[vojnik]

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

[Phoenix]

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

before you open anything, I suggest you open your mind...you fuckin' mental midget.

[vojnik]

also this isn't a battle between science and religion as you can see by many sources supplied science backs creationism. The main argument is that Creationism is fact whilst Evolution is just a theory with no facts

[vojnik]

before you open anything, I suggest you open your mind...you fuckin' mental midget.

That's really funny because I believe you should open your mind mine has already been opened by God and too an extent I feel sorry for you that you result to using such terms and the invention of conspiricy theories etc

[Bill77]

Billy, that's where the problem is...its not a battle between science and religion...unfortunately some devout Christians fear science to the point that one has to question their conviction, others are in a competitive battle to elevate Christianity to the top of the heap at the expense of the non-believers...both science and religion can coexist, instead we have a mountain of posts challenging every accepted scientific norm in a futile battle of my evidence is more valid than yours...

Spot on mate. neither side needs to feel threatened. Each to their own. I might lay my faith on religion, you on Science, why does it matter.

[Phoenix]

The main argument is that Creationism is fact whilst Evolution is just a theory with no facts

.... how old are you today...8?

[Bill77]

Acceptance isn't fact, before you open up another science book I suggest you open a dictionary

Vojnik, can you go back to your original question of this thread? come on mate, i think its an important subject.

Are Modern Greeks descendants of Javan.

[Phoenix]

Spot on mate. neither side needs to feel threatened. Each to their own. I might lay my faith on religion, you on Science, why does it matter.

Bill, the reality is that nobody knows...what we know in science today we had no idea, 50, 100 or 200 years ago and we as a species will continue to gain knowledge but it will never be a definitive, finite journey. There will be plenty of room for a God or Gods to exist for those who seek such comfort...

[vojnik]

Vojnik, can you go back to your original question of this thread? come on mate, i think its an important subject.

Are Modern Greeks descendants of Javan.

Ok my opinion on that question is that we are all descendants of Noah's offspring etc, which member of his family the Modern Greeks belong to I am unsure we would have to find which member there various ancestors came from i.e the Turkish Mongolians etc. My belief is that we come from Kittim where as the ANCIENT Greeks came from Elishah.

[Vangelovski]

I believe that creationism has been exposed as a flawed model of our existence.

Why do you believe this?

[Vangelovski]

What are you, TV's man servant or something...?

Lets keep it clean Phoenix.