Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[Phoenix]

I wouldnt say they couldnt care less, but youre right. They dont really follow the politics involved in it. In all fairness though, Most Greeks have other problems to deal with and the Macedonian issue is not the first one that bothers them. That doesnt mean of course that some Greeks regardless of where they come from cant take interest in this.

Hey Vol, how do you say spolaj ti in greek...?

[George S.]

i've been reminded that the so called greek citizens could be macedonians.Hey vol turn it up.

[Onur]

Voltron, i know that there is no problem between ordinary people of Greece and Turkey. Only the partly assimilated diaspora Greeks are bound to hate from us cuz they feel like they are more Greek as much as they hate from Turks, Macedonians etc.

The source of the problem is your church and politics and these ordinary Greeks are probably too naive and easy to fool by church and politicians. This is also pretty obvious since you Greeks either ruled by Karamanlis or Papandreu family. Greece is like the middle-eastern emirates where sons replaces fathers. Already, the core and the policy of church never changes. They all hate from Albanians, Bulgarians, Turks, Macedonians and pretty much everybody who is not Greek. Read the recent comments of Cypriot archbishop about immigrants and see how racist they are. It`s same for Greece`s church. They were giving money to Kurdish PKK terrorists in training camps in Greece few years ago.


It`s obvious for everyone that our army officials doesn't like Erdogan and Erdogan doesn't like them either. Our current PM is hated by close to half of Turkey including myself. We dont want him and his islamic headed party members and we will try to get rid of him in next elections cuz we dont wanna be like Greece where religious people involves in politics. We are secular country for 80+ years and we will stay like that. This is about Turkey`s internal politics and there is absolutely no relation with Greece. The so-called Greek islands awarded to you by British are on our ass, about 2 miles away from our shores. I can even see the car lights in those islands when i go to the beaches in aegean and mediterranean side. So, no matter whoever in charge of Turkey, our policy of Aegean sea WILL NOT change. Your nautical borders in there finishes in 6 miles and WILL NEVER be 12 miles, reaching our shores. So, quit complaining about our F-16s and better think about your country`s bankrupt situation.

[fatso]

Another clue Voltron is that someone with no connection to Macedonia is even interested on being on a Macedonian forum. I find most southern Greeks could not care less. Northern Greeks tend to have more skeletons in their closet and come here to prove their ancestry to themselves.

Your spot on Risto.

[Prolet]

The so-called Greek islands awarded to you by British are on our ass, about 2 miles away from our shores. I can even see the car lights in those islands when i go to the beaches in aegean and mediterranean side. So, no matter whoever in charge of Turkey, our policy of Aegean sea WILL NOT change. Your nautical borders in there finishes in 6 miles and WILL NEVER be 12 miles, reaching our shores. So, quit complaining about our F-16s and better think about your country`s bankrupt situation.

Onur, When you go to Cheshme can you actually see whats going on in the other Greek Islands on the Aegean Coast?

Putting all that aside i really think its a shame that some people still think like this from the dark ages, surly by now we can start respecting each other;s countries,cultures and traditions. I think Macedonia and Turkey are good examples of this because we both respect each other in many different ways and the fact that we are different in some ways i think is positive for people to learn something form each other, especially the historical events that occurred during the Ottoman Empire.

[Onur]

Onur, When you go to Cheshme can you actually see whats going on in the other Greek Islands on the Aegean Coast?

Yes Prolet, i can see the car headlights and street lights of Chios(Sakiz) island from Cesme shores and from Bodrum, i can see the Kos island from the shore. There are many islands like that ~1000km away from Greece but on the ass of Turkey and like Voltron says, Greeks keep complaining about our ferries and planes flying over those islands.

These islands has been awarded to them by Brits in WW-1, just to keep Turkey out of Aegean and mediterranean sea. Turks took over these islands from Venetians, not even from Byzantines. These islands held by Turks or Latins as early as 11-12th century and then Ottoman Empire took all of them in 15-16th century. So, none of these islands was belonged to Greeks at least for 1000 years. They are perfectly aware of this unfairness, so thats why Papandreu recently said that they wake up every morning by thinking whether Turkey took over the islands overnight or not.

Putting all that aside i really think its a shame that some people still think like this from the dark ages, surly by now we can start respecting each other;s countries,cultures and traditions. I think Macedonia and Turkey are good examples of this because we both respect each other in many different ways and the fact that we are different in some ways i think is positive for people to learn something form each other, especially the historical events that occurred during the Ottoman Empire.

Thats something very difficult to do with them cuz they live in the past and their church, politicians thinks that this is the main cause which keeps Greek spirit alive.

Everyone should be aware of his own people`s past but not to live with it today, then everything is possible. Look at western Europe, they lived much horrible things than us, remember that Germans killed about million French in a week 65 years ago but they live with it today.

[George S.]

Onur the greeks are so paranoid that their trigger finger is ready to pop as they have warned the Turks that if they even venture one meter into so called greek waters they are going to sink turkish ships & shoot down any f16s incursing into so called greek airspace.What do you think of this gunboat diplomacy.You are so close to the islands you could almost touch the.If Turkey does decide to blow greece to kingdom come you would do us a big favour to do it properly.THey think Cyprus is theirs,the islands are theirs they are so close to Turkey you could almost touch them.Are you sure they don't have any irrendist belifs that Turkey belongs to them ??I think it's in their dreams.

[Voltron]

Yes Prolet, i can see the car headlights and street lights of Chios(Sakiz) island from Cesme shores and from Bodrum, i can see the Kos island from the shore. There are many islands like that ~1000km away from Greece but on the ass of Turkey and like Voltron says, Greeks keep complaining about our ferries and planes flying over those islands.

These islands has been awarded to them by Brits in WW-1, just to keep Turkey out of Aegean and mediterranean sea. Turks took over these islands from Venetians, not even from Byzantines. These islands held by Turks or Latins as early as 11-12th century and then Ottoman Empire took all of them in 15-16th century. So, none of these islands was belonged to Greeks at least for 1000 years. They are perfectly aware of this unfairness, so thats why Papandreu recently said that they wake up every morning by thinking whether Turkey took over the islands overnight or not.


Thats something very difficult to do with them cuz they live in the past and their church, politicians thinks that this is the main cause which keeps Greek spirit alive.

Everyone should be aware of his own people`s past but not to live with it today, then everything is possible. Look at western Europe, they lived much horrible things than us, remember that Germans killed about million French in a week 65 years ago but they live with it today.

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake. Same as Tenedos and Imbros until you pulled a number on them and confiscated their property. Stop acting like a clown. As far as the 12 mile issue is concerned its called " Law of the Sea ". We have every right to do it and its only because Greece wants to have it good with you guys that we havnt implemented it. Cyprus on the other hand told you guys to go fuck yourselves and expanded their waters with Israel. You couldnt do shit about it either. I only wonder why we are even negotiating with you. Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

[Voltron]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

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[Risto the Great]

Voltron, what did the Germans pay to the French?

[makedonche]

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake. Same as Tenedos and Imbros until you pulled a number on them and confiscated their property. Stop acting like a clown. As far as the 12 mile issue is concerned its called " Law of the Sea ". We have every right to do it and its only because Greece wants to have it good with you guys that we havnt implemented it. Cyprus on the other hand told you guys to go fuck yourselves and expanded their waters with Israel. You couldnt do shit about it either. I only wonder why we are even negotiating with you. Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

Voltron
.............aaaahhhhh now we see your true colours!

[fyrOM]

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake.

Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

I think this sentence sums up the Greek attitude well…its Greek now who cares how we got it lets just move on…its like coming home to see a guy crawling out of your house through a window with something under his arm and you chase him down the road and you both bump into a cop and he says well the crooks got it now lets just move on. Do you realise a lot of the disputed land that Greece has is still in living memory ie people are still alive to testify.

The French and Germans had issues in ww2 and were able to move on but the first step to moving on is respecting each other and the first respect is acknowledging the other person exists and has a right to exist.

One could equally say Egej Macedonia is populated by Greeks now who care that the west helped you do that and bloody expansionist Rep. of Macedonia they really piss me off…they better change their constitution that they have no pretences on their neighbours land or we will embargo their ass and veto them until hell freezes over…but we can still be BFFs lets just move on.

[Pelister]

I think this sentence sums up the Greek attitude well…its Greek now who cares how we got it lets just move on…its like coming home to see a guy crawling out of your house through a window with something under his arm and you chase him down the road and you both bump into a cop and he says well the crooks got it now lets just move on. Do you realise a lot of the disputed land that Greece has is still in living memory ie people are still alive to testify.

The French and Germans had issues in ww2 and were able to move on but the first step to moving on is respecting each other and the first respect is acknowledging the other person exists and has a right to exist.

One could equally say Egej Macedonia is populated by Greeks now who care that the west helped you do that and bloody expansionist Rep. of Macedonia they really piss me off…they better change their constitution that they have no pretences on their neighbours land or we will embargo their ass and veto them until hell freezes over…but we can still be BFFs lets just move on.

The New Greeks don't get along with anybody in the region. They never have got along with anybody in the region. They have always been the bullies in the region. The Turks simply sqautted them like flies to show them who is boss and they were right to do it. The only time the New Greek have so called "friends" is when they are buying something.

[Mikail]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

Voltron, when will Greece recognise the holocaust against the Macedonians?

When will Greece recognise they caused the mass exodus of the Macedonians?

When will Greece admit to the mass genocide and later assimilation program they inflicted and continue to inflict upon the Macedonian population?

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