Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[Voltron]

If you remember the original Balkan war was supposedly about the 3 neighbours of Macedonia helping to liberate Macedonia from the Ottomans. We all know what really happened but pause for a moment and think how the last 100 years could have been if they actually did just help them.

One of 3 possibilities could have happened…

1. They just helped out and allowed Macedonia to become a country. Likely result friends.

2. Serbia and Bulgaria reneges on the deal and the 3 neighbours have their Balkan war and everybody gets exactly the amount of land they have now but Greece decides to help Macedonia create a country and join the west as she did. Likely result friends.

3. Greece says look as a separate country you might be in danger from the other two and does a Hong Kong type deal with the west…ie the real truth is we didn’t fight a war and sufferer losses both monetary and lives for nothing….recognises the Macedonians as a minority with minority rights and the west keeps an eye on things much like how they did over Greece. Likely result friends.

Other likely result from the above scenarios…
Rather than diverting money time and effort suppressing someone it goes in productive activities increasing Greece’s wealth.
Militarily they are a greater number to defend themselves together.
The Macedonians didn’t originally set off with the intent of becoming communists…some did and they went off to join Titos army…the overwhelming majority were in Macedonian army units and only thought they were cooperating with Tito. The Macedonians in Greece only turned to communism out of desperation to liberate themselves from Greece and if the only way they could was to get Titos help and that meant being communist then so be it. If there wasn’t this great need to liberate themselves from the Greeks it is unlikely communism would have nowhere near taken a hold in Greece to the same extent it did.

The choices we make.

On the other hand we cordially smile at each other while Greeks hope Macedonia ceases to exist
Greeks Debate about Macedonia dispute, hope the country Ceases to Exist

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5066

and most Macedonians wish the same for Greece.
Five types of Macedonians go to Greece.
1. The deluded traitors like Crvenkovski who could care less about anything as long as there was a dollar to be made ie the ones who want to sink the ship for a dollar.
2. Those who think its all too much and if there’s going to be a sinking ship I better make as much money as I can because if the ship doesn’t sink its always good to have lots of money to splash about buying drinks to celebrate the recognition of Macedonia.
3. Those deluded by the ideal western life of travel and its like a badge to show off to say you have been to this country and that country including Greece.
4. Those who have family or ancestral ties to Egej Macedonia and don’t really think of it as going to Greece.
5. Those who made a shopping trip for some item that was cheaper in Greece or unavailable in Macedonia…more so in the past about not being available.

The majority will never be BFFs while there will always be economic and deluded types. Recognise Macedonia today and look for friends in 50 to 100 years.

Ozi, I agree with you that there was a lot of mistakes made during Macedonia's independence from Yugoslavia. It shouldnt of happened but it did. Call it balkan paranoia, call it negligence, call it fanatascism but at the end of the day we cant go back in time.

Politics aside, I think we have more to share than divide and if you look at the people that come here for vacation or the Greeks that go there for pensions / shopping / whatever they dont have problems and that is the most important thing to consider.

[fyrOM]

Tell that to Onur.
Mikail, trust me when I say that when this politcal fiasco is over we will be the best of allies in the region. Mark my word.

You Reckon..?

If you remember the original Balkan war was supposedly about the 3 neighbours of Macedonia helping to liberate Macedonia from the Ottomans. We all know what really happened but pause for a moment and think how the last 100 years could have been if they actually did just help them.

One of 3 possibilities could have happened…

1. They just helped out and allowed Macedonia to become a country. Likely result friends.

2. Serbia and Bulgaria reneges on the deal and the 3 neighbours have their Balkan war and everybody gets exactly the amount of land they have now but Greece decides to help Macedonia create a country and join the west as she did. Likely result friends.

3. Greece says look as a separate country you might be in danger from the other two and does a Hong Kong type deal with the west…ie the real truth is we didn’t fight a war and sufferer losses both monetary and lives for nothing….recognises the Macedonians as a minority with minority rights and the west keeps an eye on things much like how they did over Greece. Likely result friends.

Other likely result from the above scenarios…
Rather than diverting money time and effort suppressing someone it goes in productive activities increasing Greece’s wealth.
Militarily they are a greater number to defend themselves together.
The Macedonians didn’t originally set off with the intent of becoming communists…some did and they went off to join Titos army…the overwhelming majority were in Macedonian army units and only thought they were cooperating with Tito. The Macedonians in Greece only turned to communism out of desperation to liberate themselves from Greece and if the only way they could was to get Titos help and that meant being communist then so be it. If there wasn’t this great need to liberate themselves from the Greeks it is unlikely communism would have nowhere near taken a hold in Greece to the same extent it did.

The choices we make.

On the other hand we cordially smile at each other while Greeks hope Macedonia ceases to exist
Greeks Debate about Macedonia dispute, hope the country Ceases to Exist

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5066

and most Macedonians wish the same for Greece.
Five types of Macedonians go to Greece.
1. The deluded traitors like Crvenkovski who could care less about anything as long as there was a dollar to be made ie the ones who want to sink the ship for a dollar.
2. Those who think its all too much and if there’s going to be a sinking ship I better make as much money as I can because if the ship doesn’t sink its always good to have lots of money to splash about buying drinks to celebrate the recognition of Macedonia.
3. Those deluded by the ideal western life of travel and its like a badge to show off to say you have been to this country and that country including Greece.
4. Those who have family or ancestral ties to Egej Macedonia and don’t really think of it as going to Greece.
5. Those who made a shopping trip for some item that was cheaper in Greece or unavailable in Macedonia…more so in the past about not being available.

The majority will never be BFFs while there will always be economic and deluded types. Recognise Macedonia today and look for friends in 50 to 100 years.

[The LION will ROAR]

Tell that to Onur.
Mikail, trust me when I say that when this politcal fiasco is over we will be the best of allies in the region. Mark my word.

You Reckon..?
If you haven't notice we don't easily forget..When Greeks...I mean WHEN Greeks eventually Kiss our Arses...mark my word..we will still rub it in your faces...
For all the bad deeds Greeks have done...it always comes back to bite you...never forget that...

[Voltron]

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house!

Tell that to Onur.
Mikail, trust me when I say that when this politcal fiasco is over we will be the best of allies in the region. Mark my word.

[julie]

Voltron, when will Greece recognise the holocaust against the Macedonians?

When will Greece recognise they caused the mass exodus of the Macedonians?

When will Greece admit to the mass genocide and later assimilation program they inflicted and continue to inflict upon the Macedonian population?

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house!

Well said!

[Mikail]

oh, and by the way, those Islands you refer to..... prior to the Greek handover by the British, their inhabitants spoke either Italian or Turkish. This is how Greek these Islanders are!

[Mikail]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

Voltron, when will Greece recognise the holocaust against the Macedonians?

When will Greece recognise they caused the mass exodus of the Macedonians?

When will Greece admit to the mass genocide and later assimilation program they inflicted and continue to inflict upon the Macedonian population?

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house!

[Pelister]

I think this sentence sums up the Greek attitude well…its Greek now who cares how we got it lets just move on…its like coming home to see a guy crawling out of your house through a window with something under his arm and you chase him down the road and you both bump into a cop and he says well the crooks got it now lets just move on. Do you realise a lot of the disputed land that Greece has is still in living memory ie people are still alive to testify.

The French and Germans had issues in ww2 and were able to move on but the first step to moving on is respecting each other and the first respect is acknowledging the other person exists and has a right to exist.

One could equally say Egej Macedonia is populated by Greeks now who care that the west helped you do that and bloody expansionist Rep. of Macedonia they really piss me off…they better change their constitution that they have no pretences on their neighbours land or we will embargo their ass and veto them until hell freezes over…but we can still be BFFs lets just move on.

The New Greeks don't get along with anybody in the region. They never have got along with anybody in the region. They have always been the bullies in the region. The Turks simply sqautted them like flies to show them who is boss and they were right to do it. The only time the New Greek have so called "friends" is when they are buying something.

[fyrOM]

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake.

Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

I think this sentence sums up the Greek attitude well…its Greek now who cares how we got it lets just move on…its like coming home to see a guy crawling out of your house through a window with something under his arm and you chase him down the road and you both bump into a cop and he says well the crooks got it now lets just move on. Do you realise a lot of the disputed land that Greece has is still in living memory ie people are still alive to testify.

The French and Germans had issues in ww2 and were able to move on but the first step to moving on is respecting each other and the first respect is acknowledging the other person exists and has a right to exist.

One could equally say Egej Macedonia is populated by Greeks now who care that the west helped you do that and bloody expansionist Rep. of Macedonia they really piss me off…they better change their constitution that they have no pretences on their neighbours land or we will embargo their ass and veto them until hell freezes over…but we can still be BFFs lets just move on.

[makedonche]

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake. Same as Tenedos and Imbros until you pulled a number on them and confiscated their property. Stop acting like a clown. As far as the 12 mile issue is concerned its called " Law of the Sea ". We have every right to do it and its only because Greece wants to have it good with you guys that we havnt implemented it. Cyprus on the other hand told you guys to go fuck yourselves and expanded their waters with Israel. You couldnt do shit about it either. I only wonder why we are even negotiating with you. Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

Voltron
.............aaaahhhhh now we see your true colours!

[Risto the Great]

Voltron, what did the Germans pay to the French?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

New Greek by force (deported persons) not by ethnicity - 100% Vlach with NEW last name (name issue)

YouTube - Jim Karygiannis, Liberal MP claims he's Macedonian LOL!

He is Macedonian as much as Stevie Wonder~

[Voltron]

One more thing smartass, The Germans recognised the holocaust and paid damages while Turkey is still in denial. So that analogy of yours is equally worthless.

[Voltron]

Yes Prolet, i can see the car headlights and street lights of Chios(Sakiz) island from Cesme shores and from Bodrum, i can see the Kos island from the shore. There are many islands like that ~1000km away from Greece but on the ass of Turkey and like Voltron says, Greeks keep complaining about our ferries and planes flying over those islands.

These islands has been awarded to them by Brits in WW-1, just to keep Turkey out of Aegean and mediterranean sea. Turks took over these islands from Venetians, not even from Byzantines. These islands held by Turks or Latins as early as 11-12th century and then Ottoman Empire took all of them in 15-16th century. So, none of these islands was belonged to Greeks at least for 1000 years. They are perfectly aware of this unfairness, so thats why Papandreu recently said that they wake up every morning by thinking whether Turkey took over the islands overnight or not.


Thats something very difficult to do with them cuz they live in the past and their church, politicians thinks that this is the main cause which keeps Greek spirit alive.

Everyone should be aware of his own people`s past but not to live with it today, then everything is possible. Look at western Europe, they lived much horrible things than us, remember that Germans killed about million French in a week 65 years ago but they live with it today.

Who cares if you can see the headlights Onur ? Lol, typical expansionst Turk. Who cares if the Brits or Italians handed it over. They are populated with Greeks for God sake. Same as Tenedos and Imbros until you pulled a number on them and confiscated their property. Stop acting like a clown. As far as the 12 mile issue is concerned its called " Law of the Sea ". We have every right to do it and its only because Greece wants to have it good with you guys that we havnt implemented it. Cyprus on the other hand told you guys to go fuck yourselves and expanded their waters with Israel. You couldnt do shit about it either. I only wonder why we are even negotiating with you. Man did you piss me off with this post of yours.

[George S.]

Onur the greeks are so paranoid that their trigger finger is ready to pop as they have warned the Turks that if they even venture one meter into so called greek waters they are going to sink turkish ships & shoot down any f16s incursing into so called greek airspace.What do you think of this gunboat diplomacy.You are so close to the islands you could almost touch the.If Turkey does decide to blow greece to kingdom come you would do us a big favour to do it properly.THey think Cyprus is theirs,the islands are theirs they are so close to Turkey you could almost touch them.Are you sure they don't have any irrendist belifs that Turkey belongs to them ??I think it's in their dreams.