Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[DirtyCodingHabitz]

Do you honestly think I would go through the trouble to scramble my IP to join this forum?

Only takes a second to change it. You would do it to insult people and post your crap for the fun of it. And you have proven yourself that you're capable of doing those things.

[George S.]

Voltron do you understand what denial means.Your government deny's that we macedonians exist.Do you do the same & deny us our right to call ourselves macedonian.
Also your government gets paranoid over us calling ourselves macedonian ,do you know the extents your greek govt has gone to cover up the fact that macedonians do exist especially in the agean area a complete denial of the minorities calling themselves macedonian.How convenient back in 1913 the macedonian population was a majority & there was something like 10% greek.Also last question voltron do you support your greek government in what it' is doing to the macedonians.IN other words are you for us or against us.

[Makedonetz]

Denying our human rights is not democratic so get off your high horse that greece was the birth place of democracy because maybe it was somewhat before it sure as hell is not in the 21st century. Greece lives under a dictatorship regime, greece calls the shots on who they give rights and takes away other peoples rights.

yeah great country to be proud of!

[Onur]

I used to hate Turks like no tommorrow because I was a Diasporite like you. Then I went to Turkey and my opinion changed completely due to the people I met and how they treated me. Dont mix politics with people. Come and see for yourself if you will have problems speaking Macedonian or even telling people you are. One of my best buddies is a Turk.

Thats what i hate about Greeks most.

You live with stereotypes and you must be really stupid cuz your politicians always play with the anti-Turkish, anti-Macedonia etc. cards in the elections and you Greeks always take the bait.

Greek church and politicians(there aren't many of them anyway) are responsible for all of these problems. Your church is racist and feeds everyone with hate toward all your neighbors, whether it`s in US for diaspora, Cyprus or Greece. Your politicians are just puppets of EU and they always uses anti-Turk or Macedonia rhetoric to get your votes and this trick never fails for them since you all indoctrinated to hate from us, nothing else.


Let me tell you why people in Turkey didn't treat you bad. It`s because there is no anti-Greek policies nor an indoctrination here. People see Greeks as their neighbors and the most similar society to their own. Thats the opinion of majority here except few people who really hates from Greeks with a good reason like Cretan immigrants.

So, the situation is the exact opposite of Greece but we could easily do the same here, indoctrinate 75 million people to hate from you since we also got more than enough history and material to do that but we didn't and we wont cuz it brings nothing. It didn't bring anything to you either. As you can see, your country didn't gain shit with anti-Turk, anti-Macedonia policies. You are bankrupt because of buying 15 billion worth of French, German military equipment every year and your future depends on the will of German taxpayers now.

All this BS wont change tough, `till you stop doing this indoctrination and rhetoric of hate. I don't think this will happen anytime soon either, since neither Greek church nor your politicians will never allow that.

[Risto the Great]

Do you honestly think I would go through the trouble to scramble my IP to join this forum ? I sent John a PM and if he wants he can tell Daskalot. If this is a serious forum which I consider it to be then Daskalot will perfectly understand. You guys need to lighten up a bit. Seriously.

Voltron, you are scrambling your IP to be on this forum if your IP is not Greek and you live in Greece.

We have many Greeks pretending to be other people on this forum. Usually they come from some Macedonian heartland and they tell us how they have proven Greek ancestry for millenniums. Some use a female name because it makes them appear more approachable. All par for the course unfortunately.

Some like JohnMKD genuinely surprise us and begin to question aspects of their lives and ancestry in a more open fashion.

[Risto the Great]

You live with stereotypes and you must be really stupid cuz your politicians always play with the anti-Turkish, anti-Macedonia etc. cards in the elections and you Greeks always take the bait.

Greek church and politicians(there aren't many of them anyway) are responsible for all of these problems. Your church is racist and feeds everyone with hate toward all your neighbors, whether it`s in US for diaspora, Cyprus or Greece.

Succinctly put Onur.

The simple fact is that Greeks hate all of their neighbours. Now they will tell you they like Bulgarians. But they still look down on them as if they are somehow superior.

[Risto the Great]

I did not understand what you said John. Are you refuting Vlachs as Greeks ? You ok man ?

We have Vlachs in Macedonia.
Are they Greeks as well?
Depends on how you define Greek I suppose.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;87411]
Some use a female name because it makes them appear more approachable. All par for the course unfortunately.
[\QUOTE]

...I wonder if this is Victoria's secret

[Onur]

We have Vlachs in Macedonia.
Are they Greeks as well?
Depends on how you define Greek I suppose.

RTG, most funniest story about Vlachs belongs to the ones called Sarakatsani(Karakachan).

You know, they are just a nomadic Vlach tribe spread to all over Balkans and Thrace. Their women traditionally wears black headscarves and since they are nomads, probably thats why Turks called them as "Kara-kaçan" but the ones in Greece thinks themselves as the most purest and the true descendants of ancient Hellenes. The fabricated story was same in all of the articles. Supposedly these Karakachans couldn't live under Ottoman regime and they decided to became nomads to hide from Turks and because of that, they preserved their "sacred" Hellenic blood `till today by never intermarrying with others unlike other Greeks in Greece!!! I`ve read numerous articles like that with amusement written by Greeks all over the web(including wikipedia article).

The thing is, these Karakachans currently lives in Macedonia, Bulgaria and Turkey too and the ones in Greece consider them as their lost and assimilated brothers . You know most famous Bulgarian Karakachan is the leader of the Bulgarian nationalist/racist party called VMRO. Probably he thinks himself as the true Bulgar or somethin, dunno There are so many Karakachan from Thrace, Turkey too and they know that they are Vlachs. You can search facebook with the tag "Karakaçan" and i did once b4, then i saw 100s of people from Turkey and a facebook group for all Karakachans from Turkey. Funny thing is, there was some posts in the group from Greek Karakachans, calling all Turkish Karakachans to return to "Hellenic" roots, LOL

Funny but in ironic way. They are good example for observing the results of 20th century Hellenism tough.

[julie]

If Voltron is scrambling his IP address, by that act of dishonesty, he has something to hide. I have a suspicion Voltron is reincarnate of a former banned tool here.

[Voltron]

Thats what i hate about Greeks most.

You live with stereotypes and you must be really stupid cuz your politicians always play with the anti-Turkish, anti-Macedonia etc. cards in the elections and you Greeks always take the bait.

Greek church and politicians(there aren't many of them anyway) are responsible for all of these problems. Your church is racist and feeds everyone with hate toward all your neighbors, whether it`s in US for diaspora, Cyprus or Greece. Your politicians are just puppets of EU and they always uses anti-Turk or Macedonia rhetoric to get your votes and this trick never fails for them since you all indoctrinated to hate from us, nothing else.


Let me tell you why people in Turkey didn't treat you bad. It`s because there is no anti-Greek policies nor an indoctrination here. People see Greeks as their neighbors and the most similar society to their own. Thats the opinion of majority here except few people who really hates from Greeks with a good reason like Cretan immigrants.

So, the situation is the exact opposite of Greece but we could easily do the same here, indoctrinate 75 million people to hate from you since we also got more than enough history and material to do that but we didn't and we wont cuz it brings nothing. It didn't bring anything to you either. As you can see, your country didn't gain shit with anti-Turk, anti-Macedonia policies. You are bankrupt because of buying 15 billion worth of French, German military equipment every year and your future depends on the will of German taxpayers now.

All this BS wont change tough, `till you stop doing this indoctrination and rhetoric of hate. I don't think this will happen anytime soon either, since neither Greek church nor your politicians will never allow that.

Onur, your wrong. When I first moved to Greece in '99 the Greeks had no problem with you guys. It was me telling them that they were insane to even think of having you guys as " friends ". The warming of the relations first took hold in Greece then expanded to the Diaspora. Although there has been cases in Germany for example where diaspora Greeks and Turks defended each other when attacked by Neo Nazi's. I dont rember the Church or any Politician telling us to hate you guys. Thats just me though.

As far as military spendings. We have to spend since your military has such a ego trip as to fly armed over Greek islands. If our church preaches hate than your military does the same. At least our church doesnt have state of the art F-16's Block 52 flying around. And its pathetic that your PM cant even control the military.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=wikileaks-show-erdogan8217s-inability-to-control-military8217s-aegean-flights-2011-01-25

[Voltron]

Voltron, you are scrambling your IP to be on this forum if your IP is not Greek and you live in Greece.

We have many Greeks pretending to be other people on this forum. Usually they come from some Macedonian heartland and they tell us how they have proven Greek ancestry for millenniums. Some use a female name because it makes them appear more approachable. All par for the course unfortunately.

Some like JohnMKD genuinely surprise us and begin to question aspects of their lives and ancestry in a more open fashion.

Risto, I can understand, and Im sure its not limited to just this forum. But give it a benefit of the doubt. This is not the case for me.

[Risto the Great]

Another clue Voltron is that someone with no connection to Macedonia is even interested on being on a Macedonian forum. I find most southern Greeks could not care less. Northern Greeks tend to have more skeletons in their closet and come here to prove their ancestry to themselves.

[Voltron]

Another clue Voltron is that someone with no connection to Macedonia is even interested on being on a Macedonian forum. I find most southern Greeks could not care less. Northern Greeks tend to have more skeletons in their closet and come here to prove their ancestry to themselves.

I wouldnt say they couldnt care less, but youre right. They dont really follow the politics involved in it. In all fairness though, Most Greeks have other problems to deal with and the Macedonian issue is not the first one that bothers them. That doesnt mean of course that some Greeks regardless of where they come from cant take interest in this.

[Vicki]

Onur, you should visit The Greek Turkish Forum

http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=10586