Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[Vicki]

Vicki doesn't seem to know anything about anything, or she's just having fun at you. At least... she's single.

Your cute and funny. Yes, I am single and beautiful.

[George S.]

Vicki do you talk in macedonian at home or have you learn't a few words??

[fyrOM]

Guys has anybody ever heard of assimilation ? My brothers have married American women and are completely americanised. Is this a bad thing ? I dont get what some are trying to say here. There is no bloodline in the balkans, dont fool yourselves. Trying to splinter someones heritage and telling them they are a byproduct of forced assimilation is misguided. You are what you feel, simple.

Guys has anybody ever heard of assimilation ?

And there’s the point Voltron if you want a society to cease to exist you can just wipe them out and such opportunities present themselves in times of war but even then it is difficult to do a complete job of it with out the world noticing and at least putting you in a bad light if not more severe action. With what’s left of the population you need to assimilate them with a carrot or a stick or both and even then it is difficult…are there not still people in Greece who think of themselves as Macedonians even with the Greek terror tactics of the past to assimilate them.

My brothers have married American women and are completely americanised. Is this a bad thing ?

Yeah right. I’m plenty Australianised and even I know it simply is impossible to be exactly like Anglo Australians…not that I am saying I want to be that. The only real way to completely become assimilated is to completely stop doing the things of your culture which very few people would do willingly so No I don’t believe you that your brothers are completely Americanised…its simply an illogical statement. Most people would think complete assimilation is a bad thing because All the bits of your background form your sense of identity and to entirely annihilate your identity and to replace it with anouther is a hard call. Some people do it to escape persecution and hide out but this is a rare thing so Yes overwhelmingly people would say it’s a bad thing…probably including those who have done it to escape persecution because even though it may have been an act of necessity for them they would internally resent the fact that it was.

I dont get what some are trying to say here.

You are what you are and it might suit someone else’s agenda to make you think you are something else but it doesn’t make it right.

There is no bloodline in the balkans, dont fool yourselves. Trying to splinter someones heritage and telling them they are a byproduct of forced assimilation is misguided.

Rubbish.

Are there not Italian Americans and Greek Americans ect who have been in the usa for generations. Why the X in front of the word American when describing themselves.

There are always bloodlines in the Balkans and everywhere else for that matter…maybe not always on a DNA level but these distinctions are usually the product of centuries and many generations and not my great grandfather was Albanian and did everything Albanian and over the next 2 generations our family became progressively assimilated to by the time it got to me I call myself a fully fledged Greek who feels kinship with all the generations of Greeks for 4000 years and beyond.

You are what you feel, simple.

Its easy to feel being something perceived better than yourself or forcibly made to forget you past. Today’s Greeks are largely a bastardised mob told by the west…primarily Germany…that they are direct decedents of the famous ancient Greeks and should claim their heritage even though during ottoman days waves of Albanian migrants were brought in who didn’t have a clue about the ancient geeks let alone to be a descendent of them for 4000 years. Normally there are rare cases of people not knowing there past because it was for one reason or other hidden from them like an article I read of a Polish man who grew up not knowing he was Jewish and even got into skinhead gangs and beat up Jews and others only later to discover his roots. So in a sense your reality is based on your beliefs…in actuality you may be different…and if a suitable favourable world is created around you it is not that difficult to allow yourself to believe your new reality but it does not make it right to persecute those who have not made the same decision as you…there persecution or forced assimilation was and is real and it happens for one very good reason…they are an ever present reminder of your illusion and your active choice. It was always hoped that by assimilation people would forget the past of their predecessors and accept their new reality and become one homogenous society. In short the blender is still working but not all the ingredients have been mashed into one soup and it threatens the integrity of the soup.

[Voltron]

And there’s the point Voltron if you want a society to cease to exist you can just wipe them out and such opportunities present themselves in times of war but even then it is difficult to do a complete job of it with out the world noticing and at least putting you in a bad light if not more severe action. With what’s left of the population you need to assimilate them with a carrot or a stick or both and even then it is difficult…are there not still people in Greece who think of themselves as Macedonians even with the Greek terror tactics of the past to assimilate them.

Greek terror tactics ? Its like a Jew raising his kids into the Nazi ideology. Cmon man. If someone terrorised me you can bet your life I would never allow my kids to become like them. Never.

Yeah right. I’m plenty Australianised and even I know it simply is impossible to be exactly like Anglo Australians…not that I am saying I want to be that. The only real way to completely become assimilated is to completely stop doing the things of your culture which very few people would do willingly so No I don’t believe you that your brothers are completely Americanised…its simply an illogical statement. Most people would think complete assimilation is a bad thing because All the bits of your background form your sense of identity and to entirely annihilate your identity and to replace it with anouther is a hard call. Some people do it to escape persecution and hide out but this is a rare thing so Yes overwhelmingly people would say it’s a bad thing…probably including those who have done it to escape persecution because even though it may have been an act of necessity for them they would internally resent the fact that it was.

No its not impossible. I had many Greek relatives coming here to Greece and they didnt even know how to blend in. They were sticking out like a sore thumb. Trust me when I say it is possible. Many Greek American actors out there that dont have a clue of their background. I could give you many examples. And the kicker is when you call them on it, they get offended and even alienates them more. The example you used with the "X" American is true but only to a degree. Some just omit the prefix and say American plain and simple.

There are always bloodlines in the Balkans and everywhere else for that matter…maybe not always on a DNA level but these distinctions are usually the product of centuries and many generations and not my great grandfather was Albanian and did everything Albanian and over the next 2 generations our family became progressively assimilated to by the time it got to me I call myself a fully fledged Greek who feels kinship with all the generations of Greeks for 4000 years and beyond.

No there isnt any bloodlines. You must be a romantic. Everybody was sharing each other's sisters back in the day. We are talking a span over a millenia. At the end of the day it all comes down to consciousness and what you feel you are. Look up the word Ethnos.

Its easy to feel being something perceived better than yourself or forcibly made to forget you past. Today’s Greeks are largely a bastardised mob told by the west…primarily Germany…that they are direct decedents of the famous ancient Greeks and should claim their heritage even though during ottoman days waves of Albanian migrants were brought in who didn’t have a clue about the ancient geeks let alone to be a descendent of them for 4000 years. Normally there are rare cases of people not knowing there past because it was for one reason or other hidden from them like an article I read of a Polish man who grew up not knowing he was Jewish and even got into skinhead gangs and beat up Jews and others only later to discover his roots. So in a sense your reality is based on your beliefs…in actuality you may be different…and if a suitable favourable world is created around you it is not that difficult to allow yourself to believe your new reality but it does not make it right to persecute those who have not made the same decision as you…there persecution or forced assimilation was and is real and it happens for one very good reason…they are an ever present reminder of your illusion and your active choice. It was always hoped that by assimilation people would forget the past of their predecessors and accept their new reality and become one homogenous society. In short the blender is still working but not all the ingredients have been mashed into one soup and it threatens the integrity of the soup.

I stopped reading as soon as I saw the " Made in Germany " slogan. Christ is that old. Anyway mate, have a nice day.

[Daskalot]

Greek terror tactics ? Its like a Jew raising his kids into the Nazi ideology. Cmon man. If someone terrorised me you can bet your life I would never allow my kids to become like them. Never.

It is more along the lines of what has happened to most native north and south Americans, how many of them stick to thier language and their native cultures and religions? Not appropriating the invaders language, culture and religion. English, Spanish and Portugese where it applies.

[Voltron]

They were weak. Most Native Americans here in the USA are in reservations drunk and are lost, It is truly a pity. I dont think the same applies to us.

On a side note, there are plenty of Natives in South America that still retain their identity, language and culture. They however are the poor class of society.

[Daskalot]

They were weak. Most Native Americans here in the USA are in reservations drunk and are lost, It is truly a pity. I dont think the same applies to us.

On a side note, there are plenty of Natives in South America that still retain their identity, language and culture. They however are the poor class of society.

Just for fun, lets do some toying with numbers.
We can safely assume that 100% of the native populations of the Americas had their own languages, cultures and religions pre Columbus discovering them. In your estimate how many of their descendants still retain their languages, religions and cultures today? A percentage please.

[Voltron]

Over 50 percent easy. I have had Mexican friends and they are one of the most compromised people of Latin American countries. Aside from the Spanish language, many of them still retain Native folklore and culture. Virgin Mary of Guadalupe is just one example.

[Vicki]

Welcome to our forum Vicki and thank you for sharing this.

When in life did you come to understand that they spoke Macedonian?

At a very young age. When I asked them what language they were speaking ,they told us it was "Slavika" .

[Daskalot]

At a very young age. When I asked them what language they were speaking ,they told us it was "Slavika" .

So when did you associate 'slavika' with Macedonian or did they at a later stage tell you this?

[Vicki]

So when did you associate 'slavika' with Macedonian or did they at a later stage tell you this?

When I was in Toronto on Business. I met a co-worker who was Macedonian from Toronto. We had a lengthy conversation and we have remained good friends.

[Daskalot]

Over 50 percent easy. I have had Mexican friends and they are one of the most compromised people of Latin American countries. Aside from the Spanish language, many of them still retain Native folklore and culture. Virgin Mary of Guadalupe is just one example.

I would set that number to max 10%, most of them are critically endangered.

[Daskalot]

When I was in Toronto on Business. I met a co-worker who was Macedonian from Toronto. We had a lengthy conversation and we have remained good friends.

Nice to hear, do you speak our language or undertand it?

[fyrOM]

Greek terror tactics ? Its like a Jew raising his kids into the Nazi ideology. Cmon man. If someone terrorised me you can bet your life I would never allow my kids to become like them. Never.

Being murdered beaten spied on and listened to at your houses window in case your are speaking or worse still teaching your kids Macedonian is terror tactics. It did happen. I’m sure others can give you better details but IT DID HAPPEN. There are still people alive to testify. You will need a few more years before you can try to fully whitewash it.

The Nazis were 3 to 5 years for most people…a still fresh memory. Lets say the Nazis won…what do you think your decedents opinion would be of the Nazis in say 100 to 150 years time if literally their lives depended on following the state line and never using their ancestors heritage or language.

No its not impossible. I had many Greek relatives coming here to Greece and they didnt even know how to blend in. They were sticking out like a sore thumb. Trust me when I say it is possible. Many Greek American actors out there that dont have a clue of their background. I could give you many examples. And the kicker is when you call them on it, they get offended and even alienates them more. The example you used with the "X" American is true but only to a degree. Some just omit the prefix and say American plain and simple.

Have they stopped going to Greek church or stopped cooking Greek food or anything else Greek like their names. They may not know much and so stand out easily but have they lost All sense of being Greek.

People drop the X as I do say when travelling overseas…I’m just an Australian as a reference unless someone wants to know further but people do revert to the x at the drop of a hat if needed.

No there isnt any bloodlines. You must be a romantic. Everybody was sharing each other's sisters back in the day. We are talking a span over a millenia. At the end of the day it all comes down to consciousness and what you feel you are. Look up the word Ethnos.

Like the Christian Turks suddenly felt Greek.
Even WASPS will tell you something like I’m of Irish English German decent.

I stopped reading as soon as I saw the " Made in Germany " slogan. Christ is that old. Anyway mate, have a nice day.

I think you stopped a few words earlier…but anyway it still goes to the point I was making…everybody needs a sense of self identity and anything which threatens that identity is resisted and denied otherwise you run the risk of shattering your self sense of identity. Try reading past the point you stopped and it might start making sense but there’s the danger and the knee jerk reflex action to blot it out.

[Vicki]

Nice to hear, do you speak our language or undertand it?

Unfortunately, I don't.