Greek citizens are Moving into Macedonia

[Phoenix]

Hello Julie,

My parents sent us to Greek Sunday school and told us we were Greek. We learned Greek from our grandparents and parents. My sister has little connection to being Greek or wanting to be learn about her possible Macedonian background. She has married an American. I'm still trying to figure things out. Growing up in North Hills Pittsburgh we had a Greek community but there was no Macedonian connection for us.

The all too common story of the infernal grkoman...

On Monday I went to the funeral of an old woman originally from Egejska, the mother of somebody that I know in my community. I struggled to contain my emotions listening to the eulogy, the sad early years that many of these people suffered that has haunted them for the rest of their lives, the hardships and terror of the 'greek' civil war, those lucky enough to escape the evil retribution of the 'greek' regime then were shuffled from one country to the next until in the case of this woman, ending up in Tashkent before enduring another period of country hopping until they eventually settled in Australia...along the way some even adopted the many orphaned children that they found in the various refugee camps.

This dear and brave womans grandchildren recounted these horrors reading her eulogy...may she rest in peace and like her granddaughter said..."baba now you're free to return home"

While others will continue to walk around with their heads buried in their arse at 'greek' school...

[Makedonetz]

Vicki what villiage was your mother/father grandparents from Agean Macedonia?

[George S.]

Vicki that would've been part of the greek assimilation.To stop people with a macedonian consciousness they forbade speaking of macedonian to the extent of beatings drinking of castor oil.Making people take up greek names if they want a job.They the desecrated graves & cghanged macedonian names to greek ones.They changed macedonian toponym names to greek ones.So many attrocities were committed on the macedonians cofiscating of lands & properties etc.The greeks are worse than nazis.At least the nazis recognized who you are.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Oh Xrisi Avgi again......Its just a right wing group, many countries even the USA has them.

It's not 'just' a right-wing group, it is the biggest one in Greece and connected to several neo-Nazis across Europe. Is that supposed to be ok, because other countries have them? How about the fact that the government and police often turn a blind eye to their racist activities?

Vicki, how is this group going to destabilise Macedonia? I can't see it happening.

[Mikail]

poleka be deca. Vicki didn't come here and from the get go start to abuse anyone. do we want to turn the tide on the Macedonian awakening? I think not. It's good that after so long she is questioning her greekness and finding out about her Macedonian-ness.

Welcome Vicki!

[rujnovino]

poleka be deca. Vicki didn't come here and from the get go start to abuse anyone. do we want to turn the tide on the Macedonian awakening? I think not. It's good that after so long she is questioning her greekness and finding out about her Macedonian-ness.

Welcome Vicki!

Thank you, Mikail

Vicki, don't mind the haters out there.

Go Steelers!

[Daskalot]

Oh Xrisi Avgi again, I dont think thats the case Vicki. Its just a right wing group, many countries even the USA has them. BTW good luck with the Steelers this year

What does Greece do to marginalize a radical right wing group as the golden dawn?

[Daskalot]

My grandparents are from northern Greece. They spoke a different language which I found out later was Macedonian.

To answer your second question: Greece's government is corrupt and from what I have been told from a source recently , Greece's government has created an organization to destabilize Macedonia.

This org. was created by the Andreas Papandreaou government.

Welcome to our forum Vicki and thank you for sharing this.

When in life did you come to understand that they spoke Macedonian?

[Voltron]

What does Greece do to marginalize a radical right wing group as the golden dawn?

What does the USA do to marginilize the KKK ?
And the thing is that Xrisi Avgi isnt even comparable to Skinheads or Klan members. Many of you may believe they are the holy grail to use as a reference to "racism" in Greece. In Turkey they have the Grey Wolves. In Russia, immigrants get beat downs like no tommorrow. In Germany there have been a number of recorded attacks as well. Let me ask you this, when was the last time someone was attacked and I mean serioiusly attacked by Xrisi Avgi ? Dont give them too much publicity, your doing them a favor. Nobody really takes them seriously here.

[fyrOM]

Hello Julie,

My parents sent us to Greek Sunday school and told us we were Greek. We learned Greek from our grandparents and parents. My sister has little connection to being Greek or wanting to be learn about her possible Macedonian background. She has married an American. I'm still trying to figure things out. Growing up in North Hills Pittsburgh we had a Greek community but there was no Macedonian connection for us.

The all too common story of the infernal grkoman...

Do I recall a thread where Vodenka was saying her organisation produced a monthly magazine with both Greek and Macedonian script because many of the younger Macedonians in Greece were wanting to reconnect with their Macedonian roots but many didn’t know the Macedonian script adequately.

I can imaging the dissatisfaction some may have with people who are of Macedonian decent growing up thinking and expressing they are Greek…I’ve seen the type first hand…especially with those who as close as their grandparents generation spoke Macedonian. Should such people wanting to discover their Macedonian heritage be encouraged or pushed aside as someone somehow unworthy for what looks like shunning their Macedonia roots and thinking they are Greek even if it is because maybe their parents for whatever reason raised them in a Greek thinking household.

It is not the first time we at the MTO have encountered wolves in sheep’s clothing claiming to wanting to learn about their Macedonian roots or just about Macedonians in general only to spout their propaganda. From what I have seen thus far this site is good at picking the genuine ones and those who are not out quickly and dealing with them appropriately.

Its kind of fitting to end this post on Australia Day with the very Australian attitude of giving people a fair go.

[Voltron]

Guys has anybody ever heard of assimilation ? My brothers have married American women and are completely americanised. Is this a bad thing ? I dont get what some are trying to say here. There is no bloodline in the balkans, dont fool yourselves. Trying to splinter someones heritage and telling them they are a byproduct of forced assimilation is misguided. You are what you feel, simple.

[Akzion]

I knew you were Greek with your first post.

The culture of the Greek 'government' is Bavarian by origin. You do know that, don't you?

Vicki doesn't seem to know anything about anything, or she's just having fun at you. At least... she's single.
Yet, I didn't know that either. What is our Bavarian culture? In economics maybe? What is the Greek "Government"? Isn't it the real Government? Do YOU really know much about our present-day politicians and their mentality?
Also, have you heard of that prospect?

Opposition Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) President Yiorgos Karatzaferis on Tuesday expressed certainty that the country will be led to early elections probably in early April, while forecasting that the prime minister will then name his successor.

Speaking to private television, he also claimed that PM George Papandreou will be a candidate for the post of UN secretary-general.

In an unrelated development, Karatzaferis backed the extension of the repayment period for the country's entire debt and stressed that the prospect of a Greece-Israel-Cyprus exclusive economic zone (EEZ) is of major strategic importance.

Finally, referring to the spectre of illegal migration, he said everyone has now the gravity of the problem, when he was already calling for measures as early as 2000.

Karatzaferis stressed that the Dublin II Regulation should be revised, terming it "catastrophic" for Greece

[julie]

Hello Julie,

My parents sent us to Greek Sunday school and told us we were Greek. We learned Greek from our grandparents and parents. My sister has little connection to being Greek or wanting to be learn about her possible Macedonian background. She has married an American. I'm still trying to figure things out. Growing up in North Hills Pittsburgh we had a Greek community but there was no Macedonian connection for us.

Cheers Vicki

There is a lot of information on this forum, which will assist in "figuring things out"
My maternal bloodline is from Aegean Macedonia, Dolno Kotori, Lerin (Florina) The Greeks renamed the village to Kato Idrussa .
I also have relatives from Kostur. Which village/town are your grandparents from?
Incidentally, I am not judging you, and applaud anyone that searches for their own answers and seeks the truth, and you have come to the right place.

[julie]

Thank you, Mikail

Vicki, don't mind the haters out there.

Go Steelers!

You are an extremely judgemental and rude person, unless you are referring to yourself, in which case, go for it

[Vicki]

It's not 'just' a right-wing group, it is the biggest one in Greece and connected to several neo-Nazis across Europe. Is that supposed to be ok, because other countries have them? How about the fact that the government and police often turn a blind eye to their racist activities?

Vicki, how is this group going to destabilise Macedonia? I can't see it happening.

As far as destabilising Macedonia. I can't see it happening either but the Greek government uses these organizations to their benefit. PASOK was linked to November 17th in the 80ties.