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  • Risto the Great
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 15658

    And some are disgusted when I call the leaders of Macedonia FYROMIANS. I would never expect real Macedonians to allow such defeatism to be openly expressed in Macedonia.
    Risto the Great
    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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    • DedoAleko
      Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 969

      Tirana: Celebration of hundred years of independence (VIDEO)

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      • Niko777
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 1895

        Originally posted by DedoAleko View Post
        Tirana: Celebration of hundred years of independence (VIDEO)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=PEBu06kPKE8
        THIS has to be one of the funniest videos I have ever seen!

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        • EgejskaMakedonia
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 1665

          Haha, 1:45 and 2:15 are classic.

          Where did these people learn their manners from? They are pushing and shoving over cake...

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          • makedonche
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 3242

            That cake is very synonomous with R O Macedonia.
            On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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            • Stojacanec
              Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 809

              I don't know what kind of food saftey standards they have in Albania. I'd hate to be one of the last people to take a slice out of that cake.

              I can start a checklist the Albanians can use for outdoor cooking events:

              1. Temperature Control
              2. Cross Contamination Control....

              I know a good Swedish from the Muppets that can help out.

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              • Vangelovski
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 8532

                Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
                Haha, 1:45 and 2:15 are classic.

                Where did these people learn their manners from? They are pushing and shoving over cake...
                Macedonia's no better. I don't know if you've ever tried to stand in "line" for anything there, but you'll never get served (in private stores or government agencies) until you learn how to use your elbows, at at times fists.
                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                • The LION will ROAR
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3231

                  Albanians attacked two students in Skopje

                  The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                  • Risto the Great
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 15658

                    Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                    That cake is very synonomous with R O Macedonia.
                    Well, they are indeed having their cake and eating it too!
                    Risto the Great
                    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                    • EgejskaMakedonia
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1665

                      Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
                      Macedonia's no better. I don't know if you've ever tried to stand in "line" for anything there, but you'll never get served (in private stores or government agencies) until you learn how to use your elbows, at at times fists.
                      Wouldn't surprise me. Even the markets here are like that at times, especially Box Hill market with the Asian population. Although no where near the extent of that video.

                      Maco grandparents here usually take home fruit and other foods at functions, but to be scooping cake into a plastic bag...cmon lol.

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                      • The LION will ROAR
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3231

                        Kosovo police removed the Albanian flag


                        Their own people removing the Albanian flag in Kosovo, yet we Macedonian let Albanian Flag fly all over our country...
                        The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                        • Vangelovski
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 8532

                          Originally posted by EgejskaMakedonia View Post
                          Wouldn't surprise me. Even the markets here are like that at times, especially Box Hill market with the Asian population. Although no where near the extent of that video.

                          Maco grandparents here usually take home fruit and other foods at functions, but to be scooping cake into a plastic bag...cmon lol.
                          I have relo's over there that would tread of my throat to take a piece of cake I have already slobbered over
                          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                          • The LION will ROAR
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 3231

                            Angelov: Extreme Albanians not to play with fire


                            ВИДЕО) Ангелов: Екстремните Албанци да не си играат со оган, за да не се изгорат

                            Достоинство ја осуди изјавата на поглаварот на ИВЗ, Сулејман Реџепи во која тврди дека „обединувањето на албанските земји е божја воља и дека обединувањето на силите на албанскиот наорд на сите нивоа ќе стане реалност“.

                            „Ако оваа изјава ја погледнеме како дел од едно однапред смислено сценарио, тогаш уште повеќе ќе ја сфатиме нејзината тежина. Македонците со право треба да бидат загрижени бидејки оваа изјава е на поглавар на ИВЗ, а не на некој случаен човек. Неговата изјава е опасна, деструктивна, и е отоворен повик за територијални аспирации кон македонската држава“, рече Стојанче Ангелов, претседател на Достоинство.

                            Според него, истовремено изјавата на поглаварот на ИВЗ е кривично дело „загрозување на територијалната целина“.

                            „Го повикуваме Груевски и Јанкуловска, како и јавниот обвинител да не се кријат и да преземат нешто. Но во секој случај тука сме ние македонските бранители иако сме незадоволни, револтирани и бесни на државното раководство. Ние ја сакаме нашата држава и народ и сме подготвени секогаш да ги браниме“. Воедно им порачуваме на екстремните Албанци да престанат да си иргаат со оган да не се изгорат..“, рече Ангелов.

                            Поглаварот на ИВЗ кажа дека Албанија ќе има единствена граница и дека ИВЗ со сите свои капацитети е подгтовена да придонесе за националната кауза и да одговори на секој вид повик во насока на обединување на сите Албанци, бидејќи било неприфатливо Албанците да живеат во пет држави. Англеов се повика и на изјавата на поглаварот Сулејман Реџепи од декември, 2010. година кога тој ја „благослови кантонизацијата на Македонија на три кантони-македонски, албански и мешан“.

                            The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                            • The LION will ROAR
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3231

                              The Albanian Flag by Jason Mitko
                              Born in Arizona but raised as a wee tot in the climate of an English countryside, my primordial instincts were thus shaped by the English telly, an English nanny, a Saint Bernard and cold, dreary, weather. This might explain many things about me.


                              To begin, let me join with the citizens of the Republic of Albania in wishing them a very happy 100th anniversary on the birth of the Republic of Albania. Since the Peace of Westphalia in 1648, which brought about the beginning of the modern-day nation-state, peoples have struggled to create states, homelands, under the rule of law. The Republic of Albania, while a multi-cultural, multi-confessional state, is the homeland of the Albanian people, even though it has Macedonians, Greeks and others living in it. Likewise, the Republic of Macedonia is the homeland of the Macedonian people, even though it has Albanians, Turks, Roma, Vlachs and others living in it.

                              Of course today being November 28 (when this article is being published), the Albanian flag is flying in various parts of Macedonia, owing to the 25% of the population claiming to be of Albanian extraction (source: Macedonian census 2002). Now, there is nothing wrong with individuals and businesses flying the flag of Albania or, for that matter, the Jolly Roger, the well-known pirate flag of the 17th and 18th centuries, or the flags and symbols of Manchester United or any other flag. In a country governed by the rule of law, people are free to show their pride in various symbols.

                              However, because Macedonia is governed by the rule of law, the rule of law dictates when, where and the size and protocol of flying flags other than those of the Republic of Macedonia at public institutions, government buildings and in public spaces.

                              So the first question to ask when confronted with the flag of the Republic of Albania being flown wherever is, “is it legal?” Does the show of the Albanian flag conform to law? As mentioned above, individuals and businesses are free to fly and display the flag in its various forms wherever (though I saw a photograph of a soccer ball for sale in the Bit Bazar decorated with the Albanian flag and I thought to myself “why would you want to kick the flag around?”). My understanding is that many Albanian flags now fluttering around Macedonia at public institutions and government buildings do not conform to the law.

                              Now, we all know that DUI is pushing the flying of the Albanian flag in the run-up to local elections to show their constituency that they are “more Albanian” than the other ethnic Albanian parties. And according to media reports, “in a speech, the DUI leader, Ali Ahmeti, declared: ‘This is Albanian territory,’ adding: ‘These flags will be waving for ages.’” First of all, it is not Albanian territory. It is the Republic of Macedonia. Ahmeti knows that and if he really believes it is Albanian territory, then he should be tried for treason, however politically unfeasible it may be. Some analysts are claiming that he is doing so for pre-election reasons. But even if Ahmeti is using pre-election rhetoric, then some fools – young and old – will take him at his word that “this is Albanian territory,” and act on it. That is irresponsible and wrong and he should cease making these inflammatory statements.

                              Furthermore, and again according to media reports, DUI spokesman Bujar Osmani said that “As a sign of mutual respect, all citizens in Macedonia should be part of Albanians’ joy and the question whether it is legal for an Albanian flag to flutter should not be raised, because Albanians may consider this to be a provocation.” Obviously, Bujar, you have absolutely no understanding about the rule of law. But this does not surprise me, coming from a party whose founding members launched a war against a democratically elected government. No, Bujar, it has nothing to do with “mutual respect” for the Albanians joy, but mutual respect for the rule of law. In addition, why would Albanians consider it a provocation if others questioned the legality of the flags? Just asking the question is a provocation? Seriously, Bujar?

                              The flag of the Republic of Albania should no more fly over public institutions and government buildings in Macedonia than the flag of the Republic of Macedonia should fly over public institutions and government buildings in Albania. Nor should the flag of the Hellenic Republic fly over public institutions and government buildings in Albania. But this is a particular failure of the Ohrid Framework Agreement which allows the flag of the Republic of Albania to be flown over public institutions and government buildings in limited circumstances. It should not be in any circumstances. But again, as Eleanor Nagy told me (she the then number two at the US Embassy in 2001), “We made a deal with the Devil.” Well, the Devil is now coming back for payment.

                              Flags – throughout history – have denoted dominance and ownership. That is why the Conquistadors planted the Spanish flag on territory they claimed for Spain. That is why the United Nations displays member flags – because the flags denote the countries that are members. This is an irrefutable truth which makes me question the motives of our Albanian friends when they insist that the flag of the Republic of Albania fly over Macedonian institutions and government buildings.

                              I’m happy Albanians – wherever they are – can celebrate 100 years of the Republic of Albania and they certainly have the right to do so. But what I also want from them – in whatever country they live – is to show respect and loyalty to that state, whether it is Greece, Serbia, the USA or Macedonia. If they cannot, then I cannot trust them.
                              The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                              • Risto the Great
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 15658

                                The flags are nothing more than dogs marking out their boundaries. The Macedonians allowed this and I believe will not do anything to disallow it in the future. It is a pre-cursor to the federalisation of Macedonia based on ethnic divisions.

                                And when the party is over, the UN will simply say it was unfortunate how it happened but the utlimately the right to self determination prevailed. And the Macedonians will yelp like a dog that has had its throat stepped on.
                                Risto the Great
                                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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