Albanianization in Macedonia

[Bugi]

The 'next time' would be finished before it ever started,Milosevic made that bubu,If you really care about the country of Macedonia you should know that with such actions the only losers will be the macedonians.

Just keep telling youreself that the albanians are under 20%,if you want more or have questions,be free to ask!

HERE ARE SOME OF THE MOST RECENT NUMBERS FROM THE MACEDONIAN STATISTICS DEPARTMENT



Долнени

2002-13.568 вкупно население

Македонци-4.871
Албанци-3.616
Турци-2.597
Босанци-2.380

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

37/97
42/89
41/77


Албанци

106/20
85/23
88/17


Турци

32/10
38/11
37/18


Босанци

12/5
10/11
13/12



Чашка

2002-7.673 вкупно население

Македонци-4.395
Албанци-2.703
Турци-391

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

36/70
37/67
37/66


Албанци

49/18
95/14
109/12

Турци

2/1
0/3
6/1




Куманово

2002-105.484 вкупно население

Македонци-63.746 60,4%
Албанци-27.290 25,9%
Срби-9.062 8,6%
Роми-4.256 4,0%

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010


Македонци

658/704
726/691
703/720


Албанци

443/160
430/124
443/129


Срби

25/84
26/79
23/105


Роми

104/32
142/27
173/37

[Bugi]

Новаци

2002-3.549 вкупно население

Македонци-3.490

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

43/77
29/77
35/66



Македонски Брод

2002-7.141 вкупно население

Македонци-6.927

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

59/101
66/107
56/99



Старо Нагоричане

2002-4.840 вкупно население

Македонци-3.906
Срби-926

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

43/85
34/94
32/87


Срби

1/18
5/15
2/15



Свети Никола

2002-18.497

Македонци-18.005
Власи-238

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

153/192
168/189
166/215


Власи

0/3
0/3
0/6



Демир Хисар


2002-9.497 вкупно население

Македонци-9.179

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

62/140
69/154
57/145



Крушево

2002-9.684 вкупно население

Македонци-6.081
Албанци-2.064
Власи-1.020
Турци-315


родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

51/96
56/78
52/86


Албанци

11/16
61/13
44/14


Власи

5/9
3/4
1/12


Турци

9/2
14/3
10/1

[Bugi]

родени/умрени

2008-2009-2010


Берово

Македонци

92/158
113/142
104/150


Делчево

Македонци

140/163
117/162
138/183


Пехчево

Македонци

51/86
32/64
27/69


Виница

Македонци

133/181
153/158
142/162


Кочани

Македонци

307/330
324/369
320/338


Пробиштип

Македонци

122/164
145/192
133/166

[Bugi]

2002-506.926 вкупно население

Македонци-338.358 66,75%
Албанци-103.891 20,49%
Цигани-23.475 4,63%


родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010


Град Скопје

Македонци

3.327/3.503
3.417/3.495
3.443/3.558


Албанци

1.974/619
2.030/656
2.240/636


Роми

655/186
701/200
687/186



Тетово

2002-86.580 вкупно население

Македонци-20.053
Албанци-60.886

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010

Македонци

173/199
188/234
197/230


Албанци

812/391
831/417
923/378

[Bugi]

Dont want to go into details about the two bigger ethnic macedonian cities,so I didint show the albanians,because they are about 3% in Bitola and have a positive growth but I would reather want to focus on the number and trends of ethnic macedonians.

родени/умрени 2008-2009-2010



Битола

2002-95.385 вкупно население

Македонци-84.616
Роми-2.613

Македонци

757/1083
760/1027
785/1071


Роми

80/37
113/23
121/18




Прилеп

2002-76.768 вкупно население

Македонци-70.878
Роми-4.433

Македонци

595/831
646/904
634/844


Роми

140/43
154/30
152/41

[EgejskaMakedonia]

so before you knew about the Vergina sun-that was found in the 1970's,the ethnic macedonians didint have a national flag?

Croats in Bosnia are about 20%-they are a official nation-NOT minority in the country
Serbs are 30%-official constitutional national element in Bosnia

so how come Macedonia cant become the country of the macedonian and albanian people?

I think you realize the double standards!

Because your numbers are severely exaggerated within Macedonia. You already have your own country, why should Macedonia sacrifice its' identity and territory to form some Albo-Maco nation? Being a recent minority does not prelude you to go on and ask for a dual ethnic state. As far as I'm concerned, Albanians in Macedonia should identify as Macedonian citizens and learn and respect the Macedonian culture, language and identity. I live in Australia and all minorities identify as Australian. To go on and say, the Australian flag does not represent Macedonians, Chinese, or whoever is a bullshit statement. The fact is we settled here...many of us did so to escape the war and hardships back in Macedonia.

Does this ring any bells? The Kosovo refugees that fled to Macedonia? Yet we respect Australia immensely, however I doubt there is an ounce of respect or gratitude from Albanians who were given refuge by an incompetent government.

[Bugi]

Obviously you have no idea about the 150,000+ Kosovo refugees that were granted asylum in Macedonia during 1999. Very few have returned to Kosovo since, yet claim they have been in Macedonia for centuries (people like you).

Fancy that, a nation gives you homes, food, a place to live during a war with the serbs, and in turn you terrorise Macedonian villages and people, bash and beat Macedonian civilians and distance yourselves from anything and everything to do with Macedonia. If someone came to my house and disrespected it, I'd throw them out. That is what the Macedonian government really needs to consider if this trend continues. It may actually save lives and prevent an armed conflict.

How long will these constant attacks on Macedonian children and commuters go on before a stand is taken and people declare that enough is enough.

It seems that the Albanians that defend these pathetic attackers justify this uncivilised behaviour with the 'rights call.' Why is it so hard to understand that you've been granted far more prestigious rights than any other minority throughout the Balkans. Why don't you mention the Macedonian minority in Albania and their 'equal' treatment? People like you always want to take, yet are unwilling to give in any situation.

How you can defend people using poles/bats or any other weapon to hit children and innocent bystanders is beyond me. If ethnic Macedonians were the perpetrators, there would be protest after protest, and the Albanian minority would once again cry foul play whilst plotting their 'revenge.' But the moment an Albanian is the attacker, they are praised as some kind of freedom fighter who attacked children to show how oppressed they are.

Do you condone this violence? If they are Albanian, does that somehow make them innocent or immune from such acts of crime?
If your answer to the later is 'yes,' then I guess you have a lot in common with the DPMNE government.

Looks like you dont understand the size and meaning of the number 150,000!

where did those people started to live then?
lets say one albanian family has 6 members,thats 25,000 families,you need 25,000 homes...lol
on the 1994 census in Macedonia,the albanians were 440,000 people!


without the natural increase with the kosovars you mention,means we got a number 590,000 albanians !
where is the logic?

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Looks like you dont understand the size and meaning of the number 150,000!

where did those people started to live then?
lets say one albanian family has 6 members,thats 25,000 families,you need 25,000 homes...lol
on the 1994 census in Macedonia,the albanians were 440,000 people!


without the natural increase with the kosovars you mention,means we got a number 590,000 albanians !
where is the logic?

Funny how you ignore the rest of my post in regards to the attacks. Are you going to defend a bunch of thugs and proven terrorists or not?

[Bugi]

Funny how you ignore the rest of my post in regards to the attacks. Are you going to defend a bunch of thugs and proven terrorists or not?

What terrorists?

and with that kind of government policies what did you expect?

Im talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 till giving a uniform and a gun to someone with a criminal background so he could kill people...

[EgejskaMakedonia]

What terrorists?

and with that kind of government policies what did you expect?

Im talking about government sponsored projects like Skopje 2014 till giving a uniform and a gun to someone with a criminal background so he could kill people...

Why are you trying so hard to defend these people? Take those blinkers off and realise that Albanians aren't always in the right. What relevance has the Skopje 2014 project got to do with Albanian thugs targeting Macedonian youths on a DAILY basis?

It has been established that the police officer was off-duty, so at that particular time he was an ordinary citizen. It isn't exactly hard to get a hold of weapons in Macedonia, just ask the so called 'NLA.' They've obtained more than just a gun through illegal means. He was attacked by a group of thugs, and perhaps it didn't end well, but despite the Albanians being in the wrong, this is constantly being used as some kind of 'excuse.'

It's ironic how you bring up the fact that someone with a criminal background is in a position that holds a degree of power (i.e a policeman).
However, I doubt you would have a problem with Hazbi Lika being in a position within the national Defence ministry. Isn't it far more irresponsible to arm an ethnic Albanian with proven affiliations and links to terrorist groups with the nation's entire military arsenal? If he is now officially within the ministry of defence I'm not sure, even so, allocating the Defence portfolio to a DUI member (Fatmir Besimi) is a joke in itself considering Ali Ahmeti is the leader of the party.

[George S.]

THe macedonian govt should build up it's army,with more arms & numbers.It's not a matter if but when.The fanatics will act first.

[Bugi]

THe macedonian govt should build up it's army,with more arms & numbers.It's not a matter if but when.The fanatics will act first.

Dont follow Milosevic,the only loser would be only the macedonians...

[Risto the Great]

Lots of statistics Bugi, yet the Albanians refuse to participate in a census. Why?

[Bill77]

Dont follow Milosevic,the only loser would be only the macedonians...

No one suggests following Milosevic by suggesting stand up for our selves.

But i can suggest, Dont follow Sasha Grey...... google the name and you might get what i mean.

[Bill77]

macedonian policeman with a criminal background kills 2 albanian youths

reaction:what we have today

Latest news is Police are instructed to take public transport to work in order to protect the civilians.

Now i have a question or two for you.

Albanian thugs enter a bus with weapons (Knives clubs etc) just like they have been doing these last couple of days. They are asked to stop by one of these law enforces. The criminals refuse and head towards this police officer. what is acceptable for a police officer to do in this situation?

I can tell you what is acceptable and standard procedure every where else in the world, but give me a double standard warped Ethnic Albanian reasoning.