Originally posted by TerraNova
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Why such a virulent hate towards anything Macedonian?
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Originally posted by Giorikas View PostWatch the language or I'll ban you too, Risto the Great.
I have never done so, nor have I had a desire to do so..
So feel free to gently kiss my arse in relation to banning me, you are in my house.
In the meanwhile, this particular little rant of yours is splendid. There are numerous examples of the Greek claims for ethnic purity. But, in any case, if you are correct, why are there no other ethnicities acknowledged in Greece?Risto the Great
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostWhen I visit a Greek forum (never) you might have the ability to ban me.
I have never done so, nor have I had a desire to do so..
So feel free to gently kiss my arse in relation to banning me, you are in my house.
In the meanwhile, this particular little rant of yours is splendid. There are numerous examples of the Greek claims for ethnic purity. But, in any case, if you are correct, why are there no other ethnicities acknowledged in Greece?
Now please point some of these Greek claims for ethnic purity. And please be specific, we are are talking on state level, not on individual level (even if myself I have never met someone who claims to be pure Greek with a direct bloodline to ancient Greeks). We can from both sides, not hold our respective states responsible for whatever any idiot claims about our respective states and peoples. Waiting for some clear examples of this abundant proof ....
Now what the relation is between the alledged Greek (State) claims for ethnic purity, and the (non) existance of other ethnicities are is beyond me.
In other words, Greece not having other minorities but the Muslim (=Turkish) minority in Greece, does not imply being ethnically pure. No state can claim this. My nephews have Spanish blood. They do not feel Spanish, they feel Greek. Their father was Roman Catholic for example.
Strictly speaking, they are not (as if it matters) 'ethnic pure', even if it was several generations ago that their forefathers settled in the Cyclades. They are not recognised as a minority, they do not seek it either. Going back to the questions that no one seems to be able to answer: How substantial is this Macedonian minority in Greece. From how many onwards should a minority be recognised? Which minorities are recognised by which countries in the relevant area that Greece is in? (the EU). I know that the Italians recognise the South Tirolian minority for example. Any more ? I would like to see this in the proper context.
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It´s basic knowledge if you are the least interested in minority-issues. The situation is the same here in Sweden with regards to our sami,meänkieli,finnish etc minorities. The situation is the same for the hungarian and italian minorities in Slovenia. The situation is the same for the slovenian minority in Hungary. I could go on forever...
Didn´t you know that literally millions of Germans have moved from Russia to Germany during the 90´s and the 00´s, Germans that have Russian names and can´t speak german, just because they are considered germans by blood by Germany?
But.. I think you do know about this and that you are just playing games just like the average greeks on this and maknews forum...
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The slovenians in Hungary are a mere 4000 and they are recogniced as a minority that even have speciall right in a so called "self management area". I can´t understand why you in Greece have to make it so complicated. I suppose you do it because you ultimate plan is the eradication of the Macedonians.
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Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View PostThe slovenians in Hungary are a mere 4000 and they are recogniced as a minority that even have speciall right in a so called "self management area". I can´t understand why you in Greece have to make it so complicated. I suppose you do it because you ultimate plan is the eradication of the Macedonians.
How can they be eradicated if the same time we hear reports on this forum that there is very substantial Macedonian minority in Greece. If the plan was to eradicate them, then Greece obviously did a lousy job. Not recognising a minority in any ase does not equal eradicating them.
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So if Bakoyannis says that 97% adheres to the Greek Orthodox Church she means something else you say.
I disagree with your view, that's all. We're talking on different wavelengths and on top you seem to have difficulties to back up your words.
Now you have this wonderful democratic tool: a political party for which you can vote at each election. Easy, no names, just a vote in a ballot box and you leave. Now why for the love of God would this considerable Macedonian minority not use this powerful democratic tool available to them use this, redardless whether you agree with each person in that party, or with each agenda point, you will have to go through this party. Would you in their place even contemplate not voting for rainbow when living in 'Mordor'
What is the size of the Macedonian community in Greece ?
Humble beginnings lacking 'ethnic' validity Due to the assistance rendered by the Slavic and Latin speaking people to the Austrian and Russian powers against the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans during the 17th and 18th centuries, the interests of Greek-speakers and their Turkish rulers grew closer as the former was able to
Educate yourself and stop testing our leniency for your inadequate comprehension.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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You are of course right osiris...
Its an ongoing plan that involves not only the Macedonians in Egejska but also the so called name issue..
Here you can read how a law and treatment of minorities ideally should be (I don´t claim that the picture is as rosy in real life but if the laws are in place that at least gives a minority tools to survive and thrive)
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Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View PostIt´s basic knowledge if you are the least interested in minority-issues. The situation is the same here in Sweden with regards to our sami,meänkieli,finnish etc minorities. The situation is the same for the hungarian and italian minorities in Slovenia. The situation is the same for the slovenian minority in Hungary. I could go on forever...
Didn´t you know that literally millions of Germans have moved from Russia to Germany during the 90´s and the 00´s, Germans that have Russian names and can´t speak german, just because they are considered germans by blood by Germany?
But.. I think you do know about this and that you are just playing games just like the average greeks on this and maknews forum...
These Germans (if we are talking about the same) were moved in the second worldwar to the USSR, with the idea to colonize certain parts of the USSR. They considered themselves German, the Russians did and the Germans did, and eventually they were moved back. I checked with my Ukranian colleage and she described it as a painful topic. They were treated badly in (west) Ukrania, their communities torn apart to seperate them after Germany collapsed, and their language was forbidden. What is the relevance of this? Are they now recognised as Ukranian German ?
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Originally posted by slovenec zrinski View PostIgnorance..these germans have lived in Russia since, I believe, the 18th century. They were invited by Catherine the great.
There are a few valid examples of some EU countries who recognised some minorities but I still don't think that that is common practise in the EU. Tell me some more about these Frisian etc monorities in Germany.
Let's not get side-tracked though. Point is: if the goal is to recognise these people in Greece, we need to know how many there are. Even if I agree that the number of votes for the 'Rainbow party' does not equal the actual number of those who self identify themselves as Macedonians, it cerainly gives us a good indication. So what are we talking about here ... ?
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