Washington Behind Terrorist Attacks in Macedonia

[Zarni]

And remember all NATO was not far behind sometimes in plain sight they would drop arm caches to the terrorists by Helicopter then deny they could ever do that and say we were on a humanitarian mission only the Macedonians knew nothing of being helped by anyone ever

[Pelister]

US FORCES PROTECT THE TERRORISTS
In late June, the Macedonian ARM undertook a major assault against KLA-NLA positions in Aracinovo, a village close to Skopje. In a NATO sponsored operation which "was supposed to allow the Macedonian Army to gain significant rebel territory," US troops were sent in to "evacuate" and "disarm" the terrorists:2

"When the terrorists were defeated and showed a white flag, the OSCE and NATO were in panic and ordered us [the Macedonian authorities] to stop immediately the [military] action. Swedish Foreign Minister Ana Lindth and the European leaders were hysterical, threatening us with economic sanctions, etc. Furthermore, the OSCE and KFOR entered Aracinovo and 'saved' 500 terrorists together with their weaponry and took them to another village from where they are now attacking again, killing civilians and undertaking ethnic cleansing in several Macedonian villages… NATO forbids us to defend ourselves when we are attacked; our territory is brutally abused by the terrorists. We have tried to defend ourselves, and they have saved the terrorists in air-conditioned buses. That has provoked harsh reaction of the Macedonian people."3

The official "story" out of the US military base near Skopje was: "[Sorry]…but something went wrong":4
"A confidential source at Camp Able Sentry [US base near Skopje] says the bus convoy [evacuating the terrorists] was stopped by tanks manned by NLA rebels … and the rebels left the buses and disappeared. 'Now we have some extremely angry Macedonians on our hands,' the American official said."5

The same source stated that the rebels "were escorted by lightly armed American troops," conveying the impression that the highly trained American GIs of the 502nd Infantry division could not do anything against "the tanks manned by NLA rebels" which had entrapped the bus convoy.6 The ambush story is a fabrication, for one KLA-NLA rebels do not have tanks in their arsenal.

Can you imagine European leaders threatening us with sanctions because we were defending our country, and had 500 'rebels' basically captured!

[makedonche]

US FORCES PROTECT THE TERRORISTS
In late June, the Macedonian ARM undertook a major assault against KLA-NLA positions in Aracinovo, a village close to Skopje. In a NATO sponsored operation which "was supposed to allow the Macedonian Army to gain significant rebel territory," US troops were sent in to "evacuate" and "disarm" the terrorists:2

"When the terrorists were defeated and showed a white flag, the OSCE and NATO were in panic and ordered us [the Macedonian authorities] to stop immediately the [military] action. Swedish Foreign Minister Ana Lindth and the European leaders were hysterical, threatening us with economic sanctions, etc. Furthermore, the OSCE and KFOR entered Aracinovo and 'saved' 500 terrorists together with their weaponry and took them to another village from where they are now attacking again, killing civilians and undertaking ethnic cleansing in several Macedonian villages… NATO forbids us to defend ourselves when we are attacked; our territory is brutally abused by the terrorists. We have tried to defend ourselves, and they have saved the terrorists in air-conditioned buses. That has provoked harsh reaction of the Macedonian people."3



Can you imagine European leaders threatening us with sanctions because we were defending our country, and had 500 'rebels' basically captured!

Pelister
Are these the same Europeans who want us to join their club?
And if they are then how did the Macedonians develop such a dire case of amnesia about them?

[Risto the Great]

how did the Macedonians develop such a dire case of amnesia about them?

What are you talking about. Macedonians have not forgotten, they either never knew or else think this is what being "European" is all about.

[makedonche]

What are you talking about. Macedonians have not forgotten, they either never knew or else think this is what being "European" is all about.

RTG
Thanks for explaining that! So being European means signing over your sovreignity, disregarding atrocities of the recent and not so recent past, making your laws flexible enough to fit in with European values - which apparently allow the murder of innocent civilians/soldiers, without having any war crimes enquiries, not defending one's country or citizens and allowing terrorists to invade and take over your country and ensuring that these terrorists have above equal human and political rights- not limited to the recognition of their language on the Macedonian passport! Where do I sign up to be part of this club! - shit I could become the biggest bully in Europe whith these sorts of rules!

[Bratot]

CIA Double deals in Macedonia: The United Nations Funds the Terrorists

[danny]

None of this stuff is new and has been discussed plenty of times before. What I don't understand is what you are suggesting Macedonia should do?

Are you guys saying that Macedonia should stand up against America? We can join Serbia, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela......because that works???

Promoting anti-americanism is a seriously stupid idea. I don't dispute america's involvement in the 2001 conflict. However the lessons from that conflict for all Macedonians is that Macedonia must closely ally itself with America and not be antagonistic. Otherwise we will lose everytime.

Luckily circumstances have changed in Macedonia's favour. September 11 and Macedonia's support of America's Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns have given Macedonia a ticket into Team USA. Make no mistake this is the reason we have had the greeks on the back foot over recent years.

Let's face it Macedonia is small and powerless. Little guys need big friends. The biggest friend you can have is america. Macedonia must look for ways we can do more to strengthen the relationship with America. I'm not familier with the work the UMD guys do but I believe they have the right intention. Building closer ties with America and key american allies is very important.

[makedonche]

None of this stuff is new and has been discussed plenty of times before. What I don't understand is what you are suggesting Macedonia should do?

Are you guys saying that Macedonia should stand up against America? We can join Serbia, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela......because that works???

Promoting anti-americanism is a seriously stupid idea. I don't dispute america's involvement in the 2001 conflict. However the lessons from that conflict for all Macedonians is that Macedonia must closely ally itself with America and not be antagonistic. Otherwise we will lose everytime.

Luckily circumstances have changed in Macedonia's favour. September 11 and Macedonia's support of America's Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns have given Macedonia a ticket into Team USA. Make no mistake this is the reason we have had the greeks on the back foot over recent years.

Let's face it Macedonia is small and powerless. Little guys need big friends. The biggest friend you can have is america. Macedonia must look for ways we can do more to strengthen the relationship with America. I'm not familier with the work the UMD guys do but I believe they have the right intention. Building closer ties with America and key american allies is very important.

danny
Welcome to the MTO!

If you get into bed with a dog, you will surely wake up with fleas!
Macedonia should make as many big friends as possible, once it has stood up on it's own 2 feet, not before! Befriending someone who has sposored terrorism in your country is in my opinion treason, Macedonia should be looking for reparations and laying criminal charges for the acts of terrorism on it's soil and against those who facilitated those acts, rather than saying forgive and forget and let's be friends!

[danny]

makedonche,
If we lived in a perfect world then we would ask for reparations. Unfortunately the world isn't perfect.

If anything I would suggest that we forgive but not forget.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Promoting anti-americanism is a seriously stupid idea.

Sweeping aside the significant involvement of America in actions detrimental to Macedonia and Macedonians over the last 60 years is not only stupid, it is typical of the submissive behaviour that some Macedonians have espoused as of late. You seem to be one of them.

I don't dispute america's involvement in the 2001 conflict. However the lessons from that conflict for all Macedonians is that Macedonia must closely ally itself with America and not be antagonistic. Otherwise we will lose everytime.

Is that the lesson you learned? Somebody smacks you across the face and you call them a friend? Somebody comes in and helps the enemies defeat us on our own soil, and this is the reason why we should ally ourselves with them? I agree that we don't need to be antagonistic, but I also don't think we should refrain from having a voice and raising concerns and objections when those people are clearly and actively working against us. America is not the be all or end all, our relations with them should be measured and any common action must be in the interest of the Macedonian state and people. Macedonia doesn't need to be led on a leash.

Make no mistake this is the reason we have had the greeks on the back foot over recent years.

Define 'back foot', and since when have we had them on the 'back foot'?

I'm not familier with the work the UMD guys do but I believe they have the right intention.

You're not familiar but you believe in their right intention. I am glad you said that, I was actually expecting it as I was reading your post. You're just another Pro-American UMD lackey that has no grasp on the history of America's attitude towards Macedonia and the Macedonians. I am all for accepting current realities on the ground, but I also have the capacity to understand how they came about and why things are the way they are. I also desire change for Macedonia, and for Macedonians to re-stablish control of their own country. People like yourself are interested in change also, so long as captain America is holding your hands.

[Pelister]

None of this stuff is new and has been discussed plenty of times before. What I don't understand is what you are suggesting Macedonia should do?

Are you guys saying that Macedonia should stand up against America? We can join Serbia, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela......because that works???

Promoting anti-americanism is a seriously stupid idea..

Your suggestion that people are proposing we become 'anti-American' is a distortion. I don't think anyone here is proposing that.

Macedonians here are proposing a principled defense of our rights, particularly in our country. This has not been happening. It has been one 'silent' compromise after another - one capitulation after another. There is no principled defense of our legel rights, our historical rights or our political rights. The 'name issue' belongs in the United Nations. The individual Macedonian politician/s, who moved it out of the U.N now has our national and political existence, on the negotiating table and in real time political play. We could have pursued our remedies through the U.N isntitution. It would have been the safe option. Now these politicians have exposed us to all kinds of dangers. The point is that it is Macedonian politicians who have been fking unsuspecting and average Macedonians over for decades now. The Arachinovo fiasco, is just one event, in a long list of many of politicians screwing the people over.

[Risto the Great]

Let's face it Macedonia is small and powerless. Little guys need big friends. The biggest friend you can have is america. Macedonia must look for ways we can do more to strengthen the relationship with America. I'm not familier with the work the UMD guys do but I believe they have the right intention. Building closer ties with America and key american allies is very important.

USA's ambassador in Macedonia is encouraging Macedonia to change its name (and our identity). With friends like that, who needs enemies?

The UMD are so far up the ambassador's arse that it no longer smells nasty. They clearly are not working for Macedonia's interest.

Can you explain why Macedonia will be lumped in the same category as Cuba, Serbia, Venezuela etc. if it chooses to assert its identity as well as try to promote best practice natural human rights within its borders?

I can't stand this kind of scaremongering from weak minded Macedonians. In some circles it is called the SLAVE MENTALITY and it was all too common when the Turks would rape your wife and daughters. Good to have friends like that though.

[Bill77]

I knew we should have slept with the Yanks after the napalm bombings during the Independence war (AKA Greek civil war) mabe they would not have slept with the Albanians in the most recent struggle the Macedonians had to endure. Yeh danny, lets keep on remembering but keep on forgiving.

[George S.]

Perhaps if we were more involved with us ie make many friends then we may have been in a better position.Perhaps even sleeping with the us & being intimate may not have given us what it has.

[danny]

I'm the same as you guys and want what's best for Macedonia. I just happen to disagree with what you guys are saying. Its a free world and I can have a different opinion.

Let me re-state my position. It is in Macedonia's interest to be as close to America as possible. In fact I believe that Macedonia's goal should be to have stronger relations with America than any of Macedonia's neighbours. Macedonia must do this to obtain American support on issues concerning Macedonia.

Take the examples of Israel. Israel is one of america's closest allies. Israel receives significant aid and support from america. However because of its alliance with America it is also able to pursue its national interests quite strongly. Israel drives its national strategy. This is what I think Macedonia should emulate. Support America as strongly as possible while at the same time holding a strong national position.

Macedonia needs to 'play the game' of geopolitics and not get played. I believe in Macedonia taking a strong stance on national issues the same as you do. That's my opinion. I know most of you would disagree and that's fine.