Time for a new Macedonian organisation?

[Grotius]

Rogi is right.

The fact that demeaning directive remains in place, regardless of whether a particular department invokes it or not - at the time being, is effectively treating our community as second class citizens. Why are we so special? Whilst the topic of this thread is about a new organisation, and some of the comments do have merit, there is in fact an existing organisation that I know are addressing this existing 'Slav" rubbish - that is the AMHRC. Maybe we should give them our support and go from there.

[Pavel]

true rogi. my aim is only to point out that if real changes are goin to happen with recognition of Mak', then Macedonians here need to organise themselves politically. a decision to officially remove the directive will have no bearing on this. in many ways living in australia politically is like living in greece and this needs to change.

[Mikail]

I agree Bill, but if the Macedonians sought their recognition at the United Nations primarily, then everybody (Australia included) would have to accept us. Until then, countries like Australia will always have a loophole. And let's face it, the ultimate aim is to have the world rightfully recognise us, not just the countries we live in.

Macedonians need to direct the issue towards the UN and have them comply with human rights norms and morality. That is where the great debate should be at this stage. We need to win our rights and recognition there above all else. The rest will follow.

You're also right SoM. What was the discussion that went on a while back in MakNews, citing a European country as one who had to fight for its Sovereignty and won. Can't recall who it was at the moment, but the point being is there are precedents for Gruevski / Ivanov to follow to achieve what you say at UN level. If anyone could do it, they could. Not since Cento have we seen such patriots at the helm.

[vodenka]

The best will be for Republic of Macedonia to be recognized in the UN but as we all know there is the Interim Agreement which was signed by past Macedonian government. There is not much we Macedonians around the world can do about it. The Macedonian government has to find a way out and it will have all our support. In the mean time we can do a lot in the societies we live in to get official recognition as a nation. It is not easy, but we cannot wait when and if Macedonia will change the name of the Republic to react. By small successes locally around the world we are helping Macedonia, too, to keep the name unchanged.
This is only my opinion. It does not mean that is correct and good for everybody and especially it does not reflect any opinion of organizations or other individuals in Egejska. And as this is only an opinion I have, I may also change it if I realize that is wrong.

[Bratot]

I did not know this! It is wonderful.
One of the most important thing AMHRC should do is the recognition of the Macedonian community in Australia with its ethnic name, OFFICIALLY. I am sure that after that, also the recognition of the Republic of Macedonia with its constitutional name will be easier to achieve. In the EU our language in Egejska is recognized as MACEDONIAN because of the Romanian government who insisted the language officially to be macedonian as they have already recognised a MACEDONIAN minority in their country, officially!
http://www.eblul.org/index.php?optio...=118&Itemid=56

Vodenka, Romania was last among the group of countries members in EU that recognized Macedonian language.

Furthermore the Macedonian language as a distinct language has it's own department more than 50 years on every university of philology all across Europe.

I don't know who have brought this "language" issue on surface as some problem and scientifically the language is easiest to be proved if any other idiot is questioning it.


Greece have recognized our language too, back in 77 and 82 when accepting the UN resolutions in their Parlament.

But why no one of our government is using this argument?

Why nothing has changed on better for us so far?


I know why. Do you?

[vodenka]

A couple of years ago on the same internet site (EBLUL and eurolang) on the name for the Macedonian language in Egejska was written as Slav-Macedonian and in the alphabetic order was found on the letter S!!! Now you can see it in its right place and with the right name.
We are the only minority in EU that did not manage to exploit all the changes in favor of ethnic and language minorities: even the Gypsies in Greece did better than us.
For what I can say, it is exclusively our fault as Macedonians because probably we were not educated to “think” as a nation. I remember all the fighting among Macedonians on the question if we are Slavs or if we have ancient Macedonian origins. I understand that we are a nation that was so profoundly divided by other nations’ interests, but today there is not an excuse for us to fail to be united in defending our national identity, which is true and strong., from every point of the planet we live in. We should not expect only the small and poor Republic of Macedonia to protect our identity and us sitting back comfortably waiting for the big day of our recognition. Each of us fronts different problems in the places where we live and we must do the job as we think is best, every time. Sometimes we may fail, sometimes we may succeed. Nobody can guarantee us anything. Republic of Macedonia is struggling for its survival as a state (never forget that) and we have to struggle to preserve our ethnic identity. Many years ago, when the nationalistic ideas were a norm (National states with just one nation-no minorities), we could not even think of expressing national identity different from the one of the state in which we were living, but now that fortunately those times are gone for good, we have to gain the time we have lost and work hard to achieve what other nations have successfully done, before us.

[Bratot]

Hmm... I just sent a pm to you but have a look again

http://www.eurominority.eu/version/maps/map-european-languages-eu.asp

[vodenka]

Hmm... I just sent a pm to you but have a look again

http://www.eurominority.eu/version/m...nguages-eu.asp

This is the old map and description! We have to find out how come it was not changed. The official site for the minority languages (less used and endangered languages) of the EBLUL has the new map.
President of the EBLUL greek office is Nace Parisis. He should be informed and act immediately, to change this disturbing map.

[Bratot]

We have to find out how come it was not changed.

Ok Vodenko, vidi sho mozi da se stori.

[vodenka]

Ok Vodenko, vidi sho mozi da se stori.

The only thing I can do is write a letter or e-mail there, but I really wonder how this kind of thinks can be allowed to happen when we HAVE an EBLUL office in Negush and a Macedonian president of this office (which represent all minority languages in Greece). And members of Vinozhito are at home in Brussels: how come they did not pay attention to this? Anyway, the most fit person to ask to change the map is Nace Parisis or someone from Vinozhito.

[Bratot]

That is a precedent Vodenka, it's enough scandalously to determine us as a "Slav Macedonian" and to go further with this precedent to invent an non-existing international code for our language - " SL " and to have that on the international website of the Organization for the European Minorities and to make even it more scandalously the member of the Board and Secretary of this organization is - Macedonian.

http://www.eurominority.eu/version/eng/eurom-whoarewe.asp

I wonder if he prefer to call him Slavomacedonian!?

P.S. Honestly for me it's pretty clear who had interest in this precedent.

www.eurominority.eu • Think Europe differently <- Gimmie a break!

[vodenka]

Several months ago, Romania placed the Macedonian language (as minority language) under ‘protection’, thus informing the EU of their decision which made the language automatically protected under EU laws. The Macedonians who live in Romania are refugees from you guessed it, Aegean Macedonia. Greek politicians at the time were furious with Romania’s decision because it caught them by surprise and countered Athens’ wishes for no Macedonian language at EU level.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/10703/46/

Thanks to Romania!
As about our Egejci activists is Brussels.....