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"The volume is addressed to one of the most fascinating issues in contemporary historical linguistics and medieval studies, which is the extremely fast expansion of the Slavic language across great parts of Europe in the Early Middle Ages. Traditionalists explain the spread of proto-Slavic as a result of migrations in the 6th–7th century and associate that with a specific material culture and with early mentions of ethnic Slavs in written sources. Alternative hypotheses attribute the same evidence to linguistically and genetically quite varied communities and associate the later spread of proto-Slavic with its status as a ‘lingua franca’ or ‘koiné’.
The papers in the present volume interpret new methodological and empirical findings from several fields of study, not only from the traditional triad of linguistics, archaeology, and historiography, but also from adjacent disciplines such as religious studies, cultural anthropology, archaeogenetics, and others. The unifying thread is that the question of the relations between Slavic language, ethnicity, and material culture has differing answers in different geographical and political contexts."
Just look at all the races speaking Slavic languages. Clearly they aren't all the same people. But what made it the lingua franca? It still dominates Europe more than people seem to care to admit.
Risto the Great MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA "Holding my breath for the revolution."
There are some rumours that Slavs that migrated to Greece were Serb-like genetically. The samples are there but we don't know if they are post or pre-Christianization of Slavs.
If that turns out to be true there was likely a majority replacement since the Classical Age. Over 50% in many parts of mainland Greece.
I just hope the facts are strong, I just want to know the truth nothing political here.
The Moors and Carthaginians in Sicily were Northern African not like Levantines.
There are some rumours that Slavs that migrated to Greece were Serb-like genetically. The samples are there but we don't know if they are post or pre-Christianization of Slavs.
If that turns out to be true there was likely a majority replacement since the Classical Age. Over 50% in many parts of mainland Greece.
I just hope the facts are strong, I just want to know the truth nothing political here.
The Moors and Carthaginians in Sicily were Northern African not like Levantines.
Would you be able to elaborate a bit on the notion of Serb-like Slavs migrating to mainland Greece?
According to Radoslav Katicic, it can be shown on the basis of toponomastic material that the Slavs came in direct contact with the Thracians who still spoke their language (Plovdiv, from Thracian Pulpudeva) -- Ancient Languages of the Balkans, page 136, R. Katicic
Would you be able to elaborate a bit on the notion of Serb-like Slavs migrating to mainland Greece?
According to Radoslav Katicic, it can be shown on the basis of toponomastic material that the Slavs came in direct contact with the Thracians who still spoke their language (Plovdiv, from Thracian Pulpudeva) -- Ancient Languages of the Balkans, page 136, R. Katicic
Serbs fall intermediate between Thracians and Northern Slavs but they lean Slavic by 5% to 10%.
Also Bronze Age Hungarians were Albanian-like and Dacians were closer to Thracians genetically. So not necessarily Slavised Thracians.
In Croatia and Slovenia a large population replacement happened. How long did it take Slavs from Ukraine to reach Greece? 100 years? Surely they were at least somewhat different.
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They don't have ancient Thracian DNA samples.
The (1) Thracian sample we have is very close to ancient Ionians. It is like a Sardinian shifted Sicilian.
tchaiku,
what does the first map mean?
Also, did you just write we have one (1) Thracian sample?
The map shows the genetic affinity that modern population have with the Thracian in terms of percantages. All humans are related to each other, some more, some less. So the northern regions score lower.
As for the Serb-like samples, those can be dated post-Christianization (of Slavs) period so it's not known for sure if the pagan Slavs in the southern Balkan were like that. The study will come out this or next year.
C.Greek in the second map, is a mixed mainlander-islander, not an actual central Greek, that's why they plot with Abruzzes.
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