1916 Grk Magazine article upset that soldiers in grk army speak Albanian

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  • Onur
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    Originally posted by Voltron View Post
    What about Turkey,s madness? Btw do you see me refer to Turks as Laz, Circassian, Slav, Arnaut, etc.? They are Turks, simple. You should know better.
    There was no madness between Turks here unlike in Greece. There was some kind of madness between Armenians and the rest of people in Anatolia but thats all. In Greece, Arnauts and Greeks killed their own kinsmen only because of religious difference and thats madness in my book.

    The mentality difference between Turkey and Greece is, neither Arnauts, Pomaks, Karakachans nor Circassians in Turkey doesn't say that they are more Turks than others and they don't claim that they are descended from central Asian Turks. They know who they are and why they are here in Turkey.

    Even some part of Cretan immigrants says that they are Greeks and spoke Greek only 100 years ago cuz it`s not a taboo here. Can Turkish christians do the same in Greece? Hell no. Turkish christian writer, Karakasidu tried to say that about 400.000 of one million immigrants from population exchange was only speaking Turkish and they were Turks not Greeks and you know what happened next. They thrashed her car, broke her windows, newspapers published all addresses of her properties in Greece and US to encourage people to destroy it. She also got death threats. Am i wrong?
    Last edited by Onur; 01-28-2011, 02:16 PM.

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  • Voltron
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    Originally posted by Onur View Post
    You meant the time when German king kicked out by Brits to bring Venizelos in charge?

    I was referring to 1820s and 1890s in that post. The time when Arvanites killed their muslim kinsmen besides Turks in Morea and when the christian Greeks massacred muslim Greeks beside Turks in Crete. Thats what i called as "madness". So, read the rest of that post.

    But for the objectivity, i can say that the Greek invasion of Anatolia in 1919(mostly Arvanites, again! read this thread) was the primary event which encouraged people to create new Turkey.
    What about Turkey,s madness? Btw do you see me refer to Turks as Laz, Circassian, Slav, Arnaut, etc.? They are Turks, simple. You should know better.

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  • Onur
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    Originally posted by Voltron View Post
    Creation of Greece is a result of Turkey's creation as well. Both happened at the same time. Show a little objectivity Onur.
    You meant the time when German king kicked out by Brits to bring Venizelos in charge?

    I was referring to 1820s and 1890s in that post. The time when Arvanites killed their muslim kinsmen besides Turks in Morea and when the christian Greeks massacred muslim Greeks beside Turks in Crete. Thats what i called as "madness". So, read the rest of that post.

    But for the objectivity, i can say that the Greek invasion of Anatolia in 1919(mostly Arvanites, again! read this thread) was the primary event which encouraged people to create new Turkey.

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  • Voltron
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    Originally posted by Onur View Post
    Creation of Greece is actually a result of madness.

    Creation of Greece is a result of Turkey's creation as well. Both happened at the same time. Show a little objectivity Onur.

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  • Voltron
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    How many Albanians are employed in ROM's military today ? Are we to deduce there are no Macedonians due to the fact you have Albanian regiments enlisted ? I dont get the topic of this thread.

    Mark Mazower had a listing of Slav toponyms in Peloponeese Greece. I heard it was pretty good. I dont remember the title of the book. Anybody know ?

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  • George S.
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    well the grks should accept the fact that they ain't so pure & have to get used to their albanian roots.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    No probs, thanks mate.

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  • TrueMacedonian
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    Does it give a year for the photos?
    No it doesn't SoM.

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  • George S.
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    The grks can't even decide who they are it's a midlife identity crisis.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Does it give a year for the photos?

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  • TrueMacedonian
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    TM, from which book are these photos?
    The first two pictures are from Mark Mazower's "Salonica, City of Ghosts' and the last picture is from Alexander Hidden's "The Ottoman Dynasty".

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Ireland is an interesting case. Much of the north, like the south, has a Celtic heritage, even after Protestants were settled there from England and Scotland. At the end of the day, Ireland is ONE island, and the fact that it is divided because of a minority (that doesn't come close in comparison to the majority in numbers) is a disgraceful stain on the UK.

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  • Onur
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    Originally posted by Epirot View Post
    Klephtes, those legendary warriors, children of ancient Hellenes* were nothing else but ALBANIANS. I am not saying that but its KOUMAS who stresses out that:
    Creation of Greece is actually a result of madness.

    Christian Albanians in Morea killed muslim Albanians and Turks in 1820s and then they denied their Albanian heritage and became newborn Hellenes. Also christian Greeks killed muslim Greeks in Crete laters. This was a result of western European intervention.

    Same thing happened in Ireland. You know, Anglican/Protestant Irish people at north and Catholics in south killed each other because of British intervention. As far as i read, very few people can speak Irish language at north(Anglicans) and most of them consider themselves as British while people at south can speak Irish language as their mothertongue and considers themselves as Irish.

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  • Epirot
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    Klephtes, those legendary warriors, children of ancient Hellenes* were nothing else but ALBANIANS. I am not saying that but its KOUMAS who stresses out that:



    "A Romaic grammar: accompanied by a chrestomathy, with a vocabulary"---Evangelinus Apostolides Sophocles

    Now it become crystal clear why no one of them heard of Achilles:


    The eighteenth-century Greek scholar Koumas tells of a visit he made to one of the most influential klephts, Nikotsaras. In order to show respect Koumas addressed the klephtic leader as Achilles. Nikotsaras retorted angrily: ‘What rubbish are you talking about? Who is this Achilles? Handy with a musket, was he?”


    The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999′ Misha Glenny, 2000, p. 31
    The descendants of those fierce Klephtes are progressing greatly. Now they pass their ignorance and claim themselves as lineal descendants of Achilles

    *Did I forgot to mention any other epithet given to them by European fatheads?
    Last edited by Epirot; 01-16-2011, 10:08 AM.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
    I think that it is safe to say that these people in these pics are all Albanians then;




    and Albanians with the Macedonians here;



    I guess it only takes a lil bit of magic to become a hellene
    TM, from which book are these photos?

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