Racism from Greece and Greeks

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Bratot

There is no doubt if anybody is running our country, the question is Who?

In our modern history we are left without real Macedonian leadership, outside interests control many segments of our society and politics.

The progress in economy, in educational system, sports and many other things important for underlining the core of one healthy nation and state, are missing.

That sums it up well. Its the only homeland we've got, and we are surrounded by hostile enemies. The Macedonians should be defending every square inch of it. They should be coming to the defence of our history, heritage and culture - and its theft by the New Greeks with everything they have. I can tell you who is running the country, a "New" generation who have bought into the whole "global community" bullshit - one world ...etc, and pathetic worshippers of "the West" as being the height of civilization.

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by Bratot

There is no doubt if anybody is running our country, the question is Who?

In our modern history we are left without real Macedonian leadership, outside interests control many segments of our society and politics.

The progress in economy, in educational system, sports and many other things important for underlining the core of one healthy nation and state, are missing.

Bratot
I read your posts with astonishment, astonishment that they are frighteningly accurate! I think the diaspora have a role to play in the resurrection of a politically and financially healthy ROM. When the modern day Greece commenced becoming what it is today the Greek diaspora had a lot of input into moulding current day Greece. We can learn a lot from this and replicate or even improve on it. I see the diaspora as a vehicle in contributing to the economic recovery of ROM, once there is a demand for products from the ROM then the benefits of income flowing into the country will be widespread (assuming the funds are managed properly). To this end we, the diaspora, need to rally our resources into cashflow enterprises and then utilize the buying power to purchase products rom ROM on a regular basis - to provide cashflow to ROM. This may be a simplictic view and logistically difficult if not fanciful, but I truly believe it is workable and what we need is the dedication, will and committment from as many diaspora members/associations/organisations/Macedonians as possible!
A simple example would be for all Macedonians to defer local and interstate holidays and save up to visit the ROM - the economic benefit of thousands of diaspora members holidaying in ROM would be enormous to the ROM and to the diaspora members!
Your thoughts?

[Bratot]

Da si ziv i zdrav Makedonche,

our country has all preconditions to develop in a wealthy and strong modern state.

But what are we missing?

I will use the analogy of Jews and Israel to explain our possibilities better.

We all know that the "Learning" itself is incorporated in the very own Jewish folklore. They are the best scientistc and inovators with centuries.

How we could possibily reach their level if today we face a 53% of the population only with a primary education?!

I would like to us to follow Israel and generally Jewish approach.


The State of Israel declared indipendence in May 14, 1948 which makes it even younger than Macedonian Republic declared in 1944/45.

Israel does not have any natural resources, no oil, no watter, no mines, with climate not friendly for agroculture production etc. but today they are 50 years forward compared to us Macedonians.. who were blessed with perfect climate, rich land, mines, watter and because of that we are not in possition to be always complaining.

What was the Jewish secret for success?

They have invested in their education, that's why their main export product is - BRAIN.

The Israeli or Jews in general are the finest financial consultants, scientists, inovators, lawyers, programers, engineers, surgeons all around the world.

And what they are selling?

- Knowledge

Their country is facing lack of watter, lack of oil but they have manage to create one high-technologically developed country, economicaly rich and with high military power in the very flamable region in the Middle East.

As an example, the average citizen of Israel is having 70 times higher salary than the average citizen of Kongo - a country with the richest and biggest natural resources in the world but lacking of highly educated people.


Macedonian Diaspora can and must play the main role but the approach should be modified and the interlinking should be improved.

If we want to help our country and ourselfs, we will not succeed in that by going for holidays in Macedonia, that's only for our merak, na dusha, but everyone of us should promote and seek interest based relations, to built our status, to infiltrate on good positions, to start guiding our interests properly.

[makedonche]

Originally Posted by Bratot

Da si ziv i zdrav Makedonche,

our country has all preconditions to develop in a wealthy and strong modern state.

But what are we missing?

I will use the analogy of Jews and Israel to explain our possibilities better.

We all know that the "Learning" itself is incorporated in the very own Jewish folklore. They are the best scientistc and inovators with centuries.

How we could possibily reach their level if today we face a 53% of the population only with a primary education?!

I would like to us to follow Israel and generally Jewish approach.


The State of Israel declared indipendence in May 14, 1948 which makes it even younger than Macedonian Republic declared in 1944/45.

Israel does not have any natural resources, no oil, no watter, no mines, with climate not friendly for agroculture production etc. but today they are 50 years forward compared to us Macedonians.. who were blessed with perfect climate, rich land, mines, watter and because of that we are not in possition to be always complaining.

What was the Jewish secret for success?

They have invested in their education, that's why their main export product is - BRAIN.

The Israeli or Jews in general are the finest financial consultants, scientists, inovators, lawyers, programers, engineers, surgeons all around the world.

And what they are selling?

- Knowledge

Their country is facing lack of watter, lack of oil but they have manage to create one high-technologically developed country, economicaly rich and with high military power in the very flamable region in the Middle East.

As an example, the average citizen of Israel is having 70 times higher salary than the average citizen of Kongo - a country with the richest and biggest natural resources in the world but lacking of highly educated people.


Macedonian Diaspora can and must play the main role but their approach should be modified and their interlinking should be improved.

If we want to help our country and ourselfs, we will not succeed in that by going for holidays in Macedonia, that's only for our merak, na dusha, but everyone of us should promote and seek interest based relations, to built our status, to infiltrate on good positions, to start guiding our interests properly.

Bratot
Your intelligence and perceptivenss exceeds even your invaluable contribution here at the MTO! I see and understand what you mean and agree unreservedly, I can't help but trace back much of what we both advocate to the almighty dollar/finance, the best education and learning equipment/facilities comes at a significant $ cost. It is for this reason I advocate cash flow from the diaspora, for with cash flow the diaspora can do much more significant things to improve education/learning/knowledge amongst our people in the ROM and also around the diaspora.

[Bratot]

I agree, for ex. providing scholarships on some of the European Universities for a minimum - 100 best students a year should be one of the main Diaspora goals.

Of course the students would be obligated to use their knowledge in working for our country.

Something like that can be done.

[makedonche]

Bratot
Good example, taking it one step further, scholarships to world renown universities - we could billet the students amongst diaspora families!

[osiris]

bratot even in the diaspora macedonians undervalue education, when i went to university in 1970 at my university monash , there were 18000 students 3 macedonians and over 3000 jews.

i have discussed many times with a few of my jewish friends why the jewish people in the past 3 centuries have contributed so much to european knowledge and i think that their religion plays a big part in their love of learning.

their rabbi is in essence a teacher and they are all encouraged to discuss and criticize their holy writings ( this process is called i think midrash) thus fostering creative and critical thinking whereas in Christianity the priest represents god and preaches the truth while the people are supposed to listen and obey.

[Serdarot]

About the last few posts:

Sorry Brat, i agree only particulary with you on this, couse it is somehow naive how you presented it.

We ourself are the best or the worst promotors of our land, i know you know that.

But without self-respect, we can not hope that other will respect us. Before all , we need self-respect again. (We = the Macedonian Folk, Nation, Makedonskiot Narod)

Self-respect the Macedonians will get only if they learn more about our Past and our Culture and our Traditional Values.

And unfortunately (or fortunately), you can not learn about our Past, Culture and Traditional Values on any "world famous university".

Pls have in mind both of you, you talk about SELLING BRAINS, and not about getting our youth BRAINWASHED on some Harward or Oxword.

It is an age of global communication, internet, massive online games, technology, etc...

First the average Macedonian have to wake up, have to start use our Macedonian System what is right and wrong, to follow our System of Values.

Later we can talk about selling brains to the rest of the World...
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about the topik:

honestly, is SOMEONE surprised that the "greeks" are nation of fascisto-rasist?

i mean, hallo... we talk about the same state created by the Germans and right-oriented Brits, as one of the BASICS for their theories of white supermacy, and later the german "ueber-ariyan" theory.

what changed in between?

only one thing.

The "Indo-European" term, now is officialy "Indo-Germanic".

So now we have Indo-Germanic family of languages, not Indo-European...

To remind, the term "Indo-Germanic"is one of the capitols of the German Third Reich, therefor one of the capitols of the fascism and national-sotialism and their ideologies.

I´ve bein told years ago, from a person that claimed he used to work for the US Gov.

"the Nazi´s didn´t lost the war, they only changed tactic"
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About the "reaction" of the Macedonian Government - i have no comment.

I dont know if they are aware what is the meaning of the titels "Prime Minister"; "Minister of Forreign Affairs" and etc...

If some "selska zadruga" was insulted on such way, there would be bigger reaction.

This jerks (the gayreeks) are insulting 3 neighboring states, make threats to their citizens and call on Ethnic and Religious Violence.

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About Australia having it´s honeymoon with the "greeks":

maybe in your case against that idiot PM of SA, you can use this material?

attack him, screw him like a fascist-nazi b1tch he is...

[makedonche]

Serdarot
You make some good & valid points here! In terms of going off topic, apologies - we did stray somewhat, hopefully it hasn't diluted the thread!
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I agree that our youth won't learn much about our history and culture at foreign universities, but there is much else they can learn. One of the problems we are facing in Australia is that educational qualifictions from ROM aren't recognised and require additional studies - I can give you examples of a practising dentist in ROM who couldn't qualify here until further studies were done, a nurse who had worked for 15 years in ROM then came here and had to take up study to qualify and be able to work. With this in mind what Bratot says is important about education.
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the topic - none of us are surprised, we need to educate the rest of the world by making an issue out of it, this is the govt.'s job in ROM to milk it for whatever they can and extract maximum value in ending negotiations on the basis of racism and extremism. On a local level you are right the community here needs to shove it down Rann's throat, the type of people he associates with!

[Serdarot]

Originally Posted by makedonche

... One of the problems we are facing in Australia is that educational qualifictions from ROM aren't recognised and require additional studies - I can give you examples of a practising dentist in ROM who couldn't qualify here until further studies were done, a nurse who had worked for 15 years in ROM then came here and had to take up study to qualify and be able to work...

on this topic Bratot or some1 else can open another theme, so we will not "polute" this1 further (it´s far away from a polution, it is constructive discussion in my opinion, but anyway )

i am aware of this, unfortunately it is like it is. since i am not living in R. of Macedonia, i am not familiar how it is at the moment, with all those new Universities around RoM, are their diplomas certified (recognized) in the west-european and "western-world" societies.

I like the example with the Jews, and the comparations with them. Beside the anti-semithic theories, the Jews are very old Nation, one of the very few with who we can compare.

greetings