Prespa Agreement

[Big Bad Sven]

Originally Posted by vicsinad

A boycott alone just reinforces the typical Macedonian attitude to addressing problems: sedi doma, drink some rakija or cafe, and watch the world go by.

They should be out there doing everything in their power to stop the referendum from even taking place.

I agree with you 100%

Remember, 35% of macedonia is non macedonian, You can pretty much guarantee they will vote for a name change to get into the EU or out of blind hatred towards macedonia in the shiptars case.

Then you need 16% more to pass the reffrendum. If you take into account the fanatic SDSM tragics, the easily manipulated and pro yugoslav clueless boomers, and people who are easily influenced my money/EU then you can see the government get easily make this refferendum pass.

Boycotting this is the most idiotic thing the people can do. But then again this is macedonians we are talking about.

I have expressed this point of view on many other platforms only to be ignored or debated. We shall see how good the tactic of boycotting the refferendum will be in september 30

[JJAskiz]

Originally Posted by Niko777

What makes you so sure? Macedonians failed to stop the Albanians from taking over Western Macedonia in the 2004 referendum.

I was just saying that ''Boycotting the Macedonian Referendum is the only way to stop the Macedonian Referendum from succeeding'' Because if they go out there and vote ''No'' Then they will change the ''No'' Votes to ''Yes'' Votes and then our country is screwed so boycotting the Macedonian Referendum is the only way to stop it. And also, Macedonians had the chance to stop this Macedonian Referendum from happening and stop Zoran Zaeban from being Prime Minister of our country Republic Of Macedonia when they stormed the Macedonian Parliament, They should of killed Zoran Zaeban, Radmila Iserenaski and the Shiptare Politicians in there that day but they didn't do that because no one had the balls to finish the job. And the Macedonians did stop the Shiptari (Albanians) From taking over our country all thanks to Ukraine for supplying all the Military stuff we needed to our country to protect it against the Shiptare Terrorists from taking it over. But NATO, EU and the UN got involved and made a Peace Treaty and gave the Shiptare Terrorists more information Human Rights in our country Republic Of Macedonia to stop the 2001 Macedonian Civil War, Otherwise we would of slaughtered all the Shiptares in our country and we were also so close to declaring war with Analbania also but the Ohrid Agreement stopped that from happening in 2001.

[Risto the Great]

Originally Posted by JJAskiz

The Macedonians did stop the Shiptari (Albanians) From taking over our country all thanks to Ukraine for supplying all the Military stuff we needed to our country to protect it against the Shiptare Terrorists from taking it over. But NATO, EU and the UN got involved and made a Peace Treaty and gave the Shiptare Terrorists more information Human Rights in our country Republic Of Macedonia to stop the 2001 Macedonian Civil War, Otherwise we would of slaughtered all the Shiptares in our country and we were also so close to declaring war with Analbania also but the Ohrid Agreement stopped that from happening in 2001.

Macedonians gave the ethnic Albanians the final say on anything to do with our identity. The people who allowed this (I call them Fyromians) are the enemy of Macedonians. If I had to quantify how many of them are to blame, I put it conservatively at "most of them".

I think you are in the wrong place here JJAskiz. You have the wrong enemies in mind and have a sense of delusion about the reality in Macedonia. It's great you are passionate about Macedonia, but you should try to understand more.

[JJAskiz]

Originally Posted by Risto the Great

Macedonians gave the ethnic Albanians the final say on anything to do with our identity. The people who allowed this (I call them Fyromians) are the enemy of Macedonians. If I had to quantify how many of them are to blame, I put it conservatively at "most of them".

I think you are in the wrong place here JJAskiz. You have the wrong enemies in mind and have a sense of delusion about the reality in Macedonia. It's great you are passionate about Macedonia, but you should try to understand more.

I am in the right place to talk about Macedonian Politics and I never said ''Youse were my enemies'' And don't have sense of delusion about our country, I know quite a bit about it and the truth. And the reason why that happened was because we have had many sell out Macedonian Politicians in the past like Zoran Zaeban, Radmila Iserena, Kiro Gligarov, Nikola Dimitrov, Ljubčo Georgievski and etc... Who sold our country out and have turned against our country and people and have sold out our country and people. And I am alpassionate, Patriotic, Nationalist Macedonian and hate anti-Macedonians with a passion beh.

[Risto the Great]

I just spent a few minutes explaining this agreement to my mother. At the end, she just started to cry. Not much more to say about it. If the RoMacedonians let this treachery proceed, I will blame them all.

[Carlin]

Dec 5, 2018

The first public discussion on the draft amendments to the changes to the Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia

URL - Entire session/video (more than 2 hours):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da3W09FIlmA

[Carlin]

Dec 6, 2018

The second public discussion on the draft amendments to the changes to the Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia

URL - Entire session/video (1 hour and 16 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpzIx1NkOnU

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...ize-12-17-2018

17 DEC 18

Macedonian, Greek PMs to be Nominated for Nobel Prize

The leaders of Macedonia and Greece, Zoran Zaev and Alexis Tsipras, are to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize for their efforts to achieve a historic agreement between their countries.

OOne of the 2015 Nobel Peace Prize winners, Tunisian economist Uided Bushamaui, has said she will nominate the two prime ministers of Macedonia and Greece, Zoran Zaev and Alexis Tsipras, for signing a landmark agreement between their countries.

“I see the Prespa agreement, in which both parties and the mediators have put so much energy, as an exceptionally significant process which deserves to be nominated for the Nobel Peace prize”, Bushamaui, told the media on Monday, adding that the agreement can serve as a model for problem-solving across the world. The Tunisian Nobel Prize winner is currently in the Macedonian capital, Skopje, where on Tuesday she will officially submit her nomination at a special ceremony, which other Macedonian and Greek diplomats, politicians and political observers have endorsed.

Macedonia and Greece signed a landmark agreement in June on resolving a long dispute over Macedonia's name and after spending the first part of the year in tough UN-mediated talks. The agreement was signed on the shores of Lake Prespa, which spans both countries, despite bitter opposition from right-wingers in both countries. The agreement, which is yet to be implemented in Macedonia, and must then be ratified in Greece, would end a decades-long dispute centered over the use of the term “Macedonia”.

Under the deal, Macedonia will change its name into Republic of North Macedonia in order to satisfy the concerns of neighbouring Greece, which has a province of the same name and whose historians have long claimed Macedonia as an exclusive part of Hellenic heritage. The agreement will open Macedonia’s doors to NATO and EU membership. Greece has thus far used its influence to veto its neighbour’s accession.

Bushamaui, who is the first woman head of the Tunisian Chamber of Commerce, was awarded the Nobel prize as part of the team that comprised the Tunisian “National Dialogue Quartet”, a coalition of local civil society organizations. The award went for the Quartet’s “decisive contribution to the building of a pluralistic democracy in Tunisia” in the wake of the so-called Jasmine Revolution of 2011.

This type of treachery = peace? For traitors only. And this Tunisian lady is clueless about Macedonia’s struggle against Greece.

[Risto the Great]

Zaev will be remembered as one of Macedonia's truly memorable non-Macedonians.

[Karposh]

I found a really useful article that attempts to sift through the endless pages of seemingly limitless clauses associated with the Prespa Agreement. It was produced to help people understand the Prespa Agreement better. The basic gist of the obligations on each nation are spelled-out below:

What Macedonia has to do

• Change the name to Republic of North Macedonia to be used everywhere
• Change the license plates of all vehicles from MK to NMK
• For a period of three years continue to change commercial names, trademarks and brand names
• Change all passports.
• Change all personal identification cards.
• Change all driver’s licenses.
• Change and print new money.
• Change all official documents and letterheads.
• Change the names of all official government and government related institutions.
• Change the Constitution of Republic of Macedonia.
• Allow Greece to request changes in the event of mistakes, errors, omissions inn the proper reference of the name and terminologies.
• Prosecute Macedonian citizens who disagree with the Agreement.
• Remove and change monuments, public buildings and infrastructures if Greece objects.
• Agree never to use the Sun of Vergina.
• Agree to call Solun – Thessaloniki and use the Greek names of the changed cities.
• Revise any school textbooks and school auxiliary material such as maps,historical atlases, teaching guides that contain any irredentist/revisionist references.

What Greece has to do

• Not to veto/object when and if Macedonia joins NATO and/or EU.